Much food for thought here.

My chosen carry gun = only 5 rounds in cylinder, so can't have luxury of 1 empty chamber. Will be all chambers full, holster covering trigger, keep the stock heavy trigger, no mods to the gun. Probably will use pocket holster vs belt.

Impossible to access anything on belt or in pockets when driving. Use a racing seat, can't even get spare change out of my pocket w/o stopping car, unbuckling, and practically getting out of the seat.

When to carry, guess I'll see what feels appropriate. No restriction at work.

Sheriff who did my CHL training class said he couldn't recall any CHL licenses revoked for behaviour. Only revocations he'd heard of were for administrative stuff, like forgetting to renew or file change of address. That's w/ 16K CHLs in county.

I'm not sure how you can justify this stance as "crap". Honest people do have a moral responsibility to one another to resist evil. One form of that is defending yourself and your loved ones from attack. One happy by-product of that is that maybe, just maybe, you have saved the next guy or his loved ones from attack. It is cowardly and immoral to shirk this responsibility and foist it off upon others. The knowledge that there are folks out there, like you, that will gladly do this and rationalize it to themselves and their loved ones serves to strngthen the resolve of those moral enough to accept this responsibility.

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that is rationalization.

Actually, it is not. "Rationalization" infers the concept under review is irrational, therefore in need of "rationalization". The desire to defend one's self and loved ones is far from irrational. It can be convincingly argued that the lack of this desire, an absence of desire to defend one's self and loved ones, is pretty irrational. I have never met anyone that would not fight back when severe injury or death was the alternative. I would like to hear some one rationalize that philosophy.

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just accept that you feel the need to carry based upon your experience and others don't.

I do accept that I have different views on this than others hold. I have absolutely no problem with that. Your personal safety, and that of your loved ones, is entirely your business. I just wish the "other side" of this argument would take a similar "ce la vie" attitude. The problem is they won't. They feel the need to impose their wishes concerning self defense upon me. They would like to remove my chosen means to defend myself; firearms ownership and carry. It's really none of their business. I won't get into theirs, but they sure like to get into mine. That's the rub.

granted poo happens. but anyone who has shot a gun more than a few times, learns about silly little fine print called "you are responsible for your actions".

i really have a very difficult time even thinking of going anywhere w/out a firearm. 49 years of being around lots of guns ALL the time does that. guns here to us natives are really just like a 3/8 ratchet you use it when you need it.


you always know the muy macho guys at the range who show up in camo and start blasting 30 rd clips.


az . all you do is go to CCW shoppe(ie.gun store) fill paperwork out. $89 bucks. my classes were (2) days 7-5pm. shoot 50 rds at end of day sunday. wait (1) month for city/county/state/federal background check. refresher course every (2) years i think. no refresher course............invalid CCW.

already we are talking about spring off road trip once again to utah. literally into the badlands of the escalante river area etc. last mapped area of the u.s. very very rural and i will be armed. for (2) reasons. protection and i enjoy shooting.............alot.

chance of bad guys??????????? about as likely as being in the arctic or antarctic. but why take a chance. life is wayy too short as it is, to rely on some county sheriff to show up and save me and my g/friend from the bad guys!

everyone says it will not happen to me. well excuse the hell outta me for being prepared. if our fellow pelicans family member were armed the other day when he was car jacked and killed, in houston, maybe once again i wouldnt be writing in past tense!


as far as companies having legal right to NOT HIRE YOU, i think they just trampled on some peoples rights and that could REALLY BACKFIRE ON THEM $$$$$$$$$$$$$ that would be a nice discrimination law suit that would afford me my very own trophy truck off road race team and my porsche racing team!

Matt, I don't have a CCW (yet), but what I can tell you is that anyone that carries with a CCW, and even many people like me that don't carry shoot our handguns regularly for just that reason.

The simple fact is anyone carrying a gun or for that matter owning a gun has an obligation and responsibility to know how to operate the gun properly, and more importantly to have the discretion to know when it's safe to discharge the gun and when it's not.

God forbid I ever have to shoot another human being in self-defense or in the defense of my family, but I can tell you right now that if I had to do so, I would not hesitate and that I would plant two or three rounds in the chest before they hit the ground.

Like one of my favorite bumper stickers says:

"My idea of gun control is hitting what you're aiming at.":D

Well, I don't carry much anymore, but when I got it, we had our business's in malls around town, and I had to take & pick up cash banks, and a few of those locations had very high crime rates (and high democrat support areas) and one of our people had been robbed at knife point, another had their car stolen (many businesses pulled out of the worst mall because their loss to shoplifting was higher than the profits,I.E., more was stolen than sold, yet local dems criticized business for leaving, saying it was because it was an Black part of town) but when I had to go to night clubs for work, I wouldn't carry, to me, guns & whiskey don't mix and I'm not going to place myself in that position, that is what my clients bouncers were for. Now days, we no longer have any stores in malls, we just supply them with live entertainment for special events. The only time I carry now (other than to the shooting range, is when carrying large amounts of cash to go buy a car. BTW, my carry is a nice little compact Glock courtesy of thrown_hammer it is smaller than my Smith 10mm or the Desert Eagle 357:D My mother carries a Ruger 9mm:D

nonsense, your stance is you must carry a gun to defend your family and that those who don't carry a gun don't resist evil and would not fight an aggressor,
poppycock


It's like those guys who buy a big SUV or a Volvo and say those with small cars are immoral and irresponsible.

Is that a rational argument?

You may say that all you want, Steve, but the rationalization here is yours, you don't accept your responsibility for your own security, prefering to leave it to surrogates or others. It is immoral to ask someone to do what you should, and could, but will not do for yourself. There are truths in the world, and that's one of them.

Individuals that are armed and use them to stop a crime are involved in "wrong person" dealths approximately 80% fewer times a year than cops. That's while using firearms to stop potential violent crimes millions of times per year, and has stopped over 400,000 crimes in 2007 already.
http://www.actionamerica.org/guns/sdcnt-wdgt.shtml

I agree 100%. my motto is "It's my right to have a gun and it's you right not to have one". Don't take away my right to have a gun and I won't take away your rights. Pretty simple...

Well put Art!

So Pat, you think we should eliminate fire fighters?

Make all house with concrete so they won't burn?

You're obfuscating. I'm quite willing to fight a fire at my house, and pay others to assist me in doing so if it's overwhelming. I'm also willing to assist my neighbors in fighting a fire at their home, barn, or property.

Your position is that you won't fight a fire at your home with the best tool available to do so, and then ridicule others who will.

No, the argument is that I really should have a swimming pool in the back to draw water from to fight the fire in case the city water supply is weak.

You seem to have a mental block concerning this, Steve. Here is what I said in acouple of earlier posts:


Of course not.

Neither is this. Typically childish liberal attempt at trying to make a rational argument, the one that they are losing (or actually lost long ago) appear irrational. Steve, you are dealing with adults here that won't buy into this nonsense. You severely weakened your argument with this unfortunate remark.

"It is cowardly and immoral to shirk this responsibility and foist it off upon others. "

So I should put in that swimming pool?

I have no problems in practicing gun ownership in the home, I guess its just hard to believe that someone would need a gun at the grocery.

LIES!:D

Not all violent crime happens to people when they're at home. That's why many choose to have a CCW. That and the fact that there's a 2nd amendment that grants us the right to keep and BEAR arms.:p

All I read here is "I am unwilling and unable to admit to myself or anyone else that I simply do not have any rational. moral basis for my argument. Therefor, since all else has failed, I shall act like a child."

Ditto, and I guess that ends that.