CCW - When And Where Do You Carry?
 

In a few weeks, I have an appointment to be fingerprinted, pay $60, and receive my concealed handgun license. I've decided to buy a Smith & Wesson 442, which is a concealed hammer DAO snubby .38 that weighs 15 oz empty. Fired one at a range, found it very easy to shoot, easier than my small .45. Five in the black at 50 ft, seems will be good enough at 10 ft.

So, my question is, for the CCW holders here, where do you carry?

I mean, where on your person do you carry the gun?

But more importantly, where/when in your daily life do you go armed?

I admit that I am getting this CHL partly as a political statement (I figure when local politicians see that over 16,000 residents in a county of 500,000 have CHLs, they will be less inclined to restrict gun rights) and partly because it's something I couldn't do in California.

However, I haven't really identified a practical reason to carry. I have a sedate lifestyle, to say the least. I have no reason to go anywhere sketchy. Midnight at the liquor store? Won't find me there, try afternoon at the local organic grocery store.

Do you carry when/because you feel at risk? Or do you carry all the time regardless? Why?

how about when you go to the bank? deposit or w/drawal. grocery store,gas station,pharmacy, and on and on. any where i go, every time i go ANYWHERE! paronoia.................NOT IN THE LEAST! more like too many cop friends from school who give you the real low down that doesnt even make the news!

come on, a simple murder doesnt cut it as news worthy any more! its got to be a 3 fatals found in blood splattered home before its news worthy, or pregnant women beheaded! what you see, what you hear, on TV/radio is the tip of the iceberg. wanna really pee yourself..........punch in FBI crime stats! that will open your eyes!

since i was going to hawaii again last year and had already witnessed some crap there, i decided to check on crime stats. hawaii is not exactly the safest place to vacation! and NO CCW's permitted!

but if your CCW instructor was worth his salt you should be trained now to ALWAYS BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS!
24/7/365!

get in the habit EVERYTIME YOU PICK THAT GUN UP TO CHECK PIPE FOR ROUND! on my autos in the morning, pull from holster, drop clip,rack slide back and look TWICE to see if chamber clear. after 30 days of doing it, it becomes habit. actually it SHOULD BE HABIT ANY TIME YOU P/U ANY WEAPON!

now heres a instance i have played over in my head. in p-car, top down sunny day, drop dead good looking,big hootered g/friend, driving along anywhere. what do you think i look like to a bad guy?????

someone with a lot of BUCKS! funny thing is, i never carry cash and am the opposite of what bad guy is thinking. hes thinking i have a car full of cash. reality is i have a .45 and a credit card!

dont ever leave your weapon anywhere it can be used against you. if you go into restaurant or bar that serves booze, you cant carry concealed. here in arizona they are working on law to allow CCW holders to go in restaurant that serves booze as long as they dont drink! DUH! anyway when faced w/this, disable weapon and pull rounds and lock gun away.

as far as carrying...........if normal day, on my side in uncle mikes nylon holster. if walking/hiking, a dillon CYA holster. if camping quading fishing, 4 x 4 jeeping, in my bianchi shoulder holster. if hot summer day, in my cargo shorts w/out holster w/hawaiian shirt or xxl t-shirt.

when camping/fishing hiking by myself.............always round in chamber. for ALL OTHER TIMES..........no round in chamber.

there is an argument brewing btwn my CCW instructor about carrying live round. live round means push safety off and gun goes bang! hes a cop.......i'm not. empty chamber angle is, if the doo doo goes down, i have to rack round and then fire. but on legal side, it shows jury you were not blood thirsty gun nut and just started shooting! i know a hell of an arguement, but i prefer carrying empty to avoid an A.D. (accidental discharge). i have shot all my life and can put an auto into battery very damn quickly if need be. w/wheel gun just carry gun with hammer on empty cylinder. if doo doo goes down, just pull,point ,squeeze trigger and gun goes bang! i hate carrying .45's loaded w/hammer back. have seen evidence off too many AD's, when gun falls out of truck/jeep/car/holster!

A CCW wouldn't do me much good, since I work at a college and I can't carry here. Mebbe I should see about being a reserve officer for the colleges PD...

Anyway, there have been a few times that I felt I needed to carry - one period was after/during the Danny Rolling murders here in Gainesville. Carried a full size CZ75 clone (TA-90 by Tanfoglio, wish I still had it) in the small of my back. Like above, I went with full mag (17 rounds) and empty chamber - Just In Case. More recently, I've had to go check on a friends wife who wasn't answering a phone - home or cell, should've been home. Turns out the batteries were dead in both her home portable phone (you do have a old fashioned plugin phone at home, right?) and cell phone and she was takign a nap. My "concealed" choice at that time was my FAL - it hid nicely in the car. She lives out in the boonies, at least 45 min from any type of emergency help, so I went assuming the absolute worst.

"I mean, where on your person do you carry the gun?
But more importantly, where/when in your daily life do you go armed?"

95% of the time I leave the house there is a .22 mini-revolver in my front pants pocket. Given my job site is a gun & pawn shop, I probably have a few more loaded handguns laying around than the typical workplace.
BTW, no need for empty chamber on a modern DA revolver, you must be thinking of the old style single actions, and even most of the late models have transfer bars.
Single action autos (1911A1's) another kettle of fish. Best keep chamber empty unless you're heading for a gunfight (and I would normally head the other direction).
Jim

Everywhere it's legal for me to Carry. I do not carry at work as we have a rule against this. I dis-armed for NASA yesterday. Otherwise, I have at least a .380 ACP in my pocket.

If I have my choice, small belt holster with my 3 inch Colt 45.

John, be prepared to feel really weird about this at first. You won't be able to help feeling very self-concious, and you will be worried that everyone knows you are packing. You will keep checking to see if its really hidden as well as you think, and all kinds of stuff like that. Your choice of a smaller, less obtrusive gun will help a great deal with this.

So when and where... hmm... Typically when I'm on the road, staying in hotels, camping, or whatever. If I'm heading down town into the "big city" for dinner or a show. Anytime I'm taking my wife out for the evening, really, no matter where. If I'm walking the dog after dark, or stuff like that.

When I'm in the car it is under the seat or in the glove box. When I'm on the motorcycle, or out of the car, out and about on foot, I carry the bigger guns behind my right hip. I simply stuff it into my waistband; no holster or anything. They call this the "border carry"; apparently popular along the U.S. - Mexico border at one time.

With your small revolver, this probably won't work. The barrel isn't long enough to ensure it won't fall out. For my Charter Arms Bulldog, a very small revolver like yours, I use a small holster to secure it behind my right hip (I'm right handed). Either that or my right front jacket pocket, if the jacket is bulky enough to hide it.

Make sure wherever it is, you can get to it one-handed. Lots of folks bury them too deep, under too many layers of clothing. If you actually need it someday, you might be using your left hand to hold the guy back, so one-handed retrieval is important.

its like AMEX...........never leave home w/out it.

heres one to think long and hard on.

couple from prescott, mid 20's celebrating 1 yr aniv. of going out together. both employed, no priors, good families etc. go to spot below sunset point look out to camp. sunset point is on I-17. where they camped is 15 miles as crow flies from I-17. set up camp at spot we dump dirty bikes off to ride to crown king on top of bradshaw mtns. lots of gold claims, silver claims. goes from cactus up to pine trees. spot we dump bikes off use to be old corral.

couple shot to death in the head, in back of pick-up truck. case unsolved. case transfered from yavapai county to DPS. case dumped into my 27 yr vet, DPS classmates "in-basket" at DPS HQ in phx. CASE UNSOLVED!!!!!!!

couple did not have any weapons, no drugs involved, hadnt pissed anyone off etc.

WHO DUNN IT???????

now had it been me and my girlfriend...............dont think the same would happen.

A) i would NEVER CAMP along well traveled road.

B) .45 would be loaded.

C) anyone / anything that made a noise, CONDITION RED WOULD BE EMPLOYED!

D) would have camped in spot that afforded view of surrounding entry ways and/ or headlights coming towards camp.

E) would have had my dog, which is the cheapest EARLY WARNING RADAR YOU CAN FIND! despite being a PITA and tends to go after anything that moves ie. SKUNKS!

i can go on and on. its just like reading crime reports/coast guard reports/ NTSB/FAA reports. you learn the mistakes made and try and not repeat them. its a crappy world out there, despite what alot say to the contrary!

Interesting as this just came up last Sunday here at my house. My father is a retired LEO and carries his pistol everywhere he goes as does my brother who's an active duty detective. My father attended church with us last Sunday and someone complained to our pastor that "some guys has a gun in church" and "they aren't allowed to carry a concealed weapon in a church". True, a CCW permit in MI is very restrictive and bringing a concealed weapon to a church is forbidden by law, but there is an exception for active duty/retired LEO's. LEO's are not restricted and can carry their weapon anywhere they want.

I emailed a copy of the MI law to my pastor and told him that if this (my father carrying a pistol in church) bothered him (the pastor) that I would tell my father but I can almost guarantee that my father will not step into the building again.

Anyone else have any similar experience? Most people probably don't know about the LEO exception unless they happen to be in that category or study MI CCW laws...

its not alot but sometimes you see grocery stores w/sign on door stating NO CCW's. other than that, its your standard city state county federal bldgs. military bases, airports, nuklar plants, bars, or anywhere booze is served. SERVED is key word here. here you can go in liguor store with CCW.

you cannot carry concealed while hunting here. and the indian reservation is a soverign nation that is weird as hell! best bet on rez............get cheap varmint hunting lic. that way having a gun is ok. but on rez. having booze and gun is bad ju-ju in their books. rez is a different country akin to mexico. bad guys have heavier firepower than cops. example T.J. cops had weapons taken and were issued slingshots for christ sake!!!!! WTF????

meth problem on rez...........IS UNREAL! captive audience w/nothing to do. bloods/crips etc. on the rez. just picture indian kid all bling blinged out! LOL! but true!

Find out what the consequences are for carrying in places where concealed carry is not permitted. Consider if your life, or the life of a loved one, is worth more than the fine or other consequences.

EXAMPLE: You are at a restaurant or bar where alcohol is served. You are not drinking and will be there late for a party with family or friends. After the event, you will be walking to your car in a dark, tree-lined parking lot that affords plenty of hiding places for a would-be attacker.

Consider:

1. You are carrying CONCEALED! If properly concealed, no one will ever know, unless you need to use it. If so, you had much bigger problems than the CCW rules.

2. Where I live the penalty is $100 and it is a misdemeanor. Also, your CCW permit is not likely to be revoked on one violation.

Is your life worth $100?

lothar have given that thought. my old boss years ago went EVERYWHERE. including the day he arrived at airport with gun in briefcase. went thru security and got popped. had honestly forgot about. feds fined him $275 bucks and did not loose lic.

right across from where 500,000 goofy golfers are at FBR OPEN, is a days inn or quality inn hotel. north scottsdale. mega mega bucks. guy goes in hotel, shoots clerk for a few hundred bucks.

it can AND DOES HAPPEN EVERYWHERE!

good point -life vs. fine. whats cool is that there is a bill as mentioned pushing thru house to carry concealed in any establishment that serves booze as long as CCW doesnt drink booze. i imagine if caught drinking while CCW they would hang you out to dry!

Most states have some kind of LEO exception to CCW restrictions. Illegal as can be from the standpoint that there should be no restrictions on anyone anyway, but that is the way it is.

Funny, Washington tried just recently to elevate any domestic violence conviction retroactively to felony status. Many citizens had plead guilty to missdemeanor assault charges to avoid facing more serious charges. Many prosecutors offered plea bargains to avoid a lengthy court battle. Then, after the fact, the state decides these missdemeanors are now felonies. Felony convictions disqualify citizens from firearms possesion altogether; forget CCW. Enter yet another LEO exemption. It turns out that so many active duty (and retired) LEOs had a history of domestic violence that it would have severely impacted a very large number of police departments. Think about that for a moment. This is the population that our lawmakers feel deserve an exemption to CCW restrictions - a population with a recorded incidence of wife beating and other domestic aggression that is far higher than the general population.

Businesses regularly post "no firearms" signs. Courts have upheld their right to restrict carry on their property. Again, illegal as can be, but that's the way it is. While they cannot arrest you, they can legally ask you to leave. Imagine if they still posted "Irish need not apply" or "No Coloreds" on the front of businesses. Or perhaps a better analogy, "No Free Speach", "No EEO", "Men Only" (like Agusta). Individual businesses cannot legaly restrict your rights enumerated in the Constitution or described by law. Except for this one.

Here's an interesting point about alcohol and CCW. In North Carolina, you forfeit your CCW privileges if you consume alcohol. You can be sited for violation if you have the odor of alcohol on your breath, even if not legally intoxicated. However, NC has an open carry law with no such provision. Open carry is permitted provided you are not legally intoxicated.

A friend was approached by a police officer at a check point. As required, he told the officer that he has a CCW permit but was carrying open with his gun on the passenger seat of the car.

The officer asked why he was carrying open if he had a CCW permit. My friend told the officer that he had a beer several hours ago and was concerned that the odor might be on him. Since he was clearly not intoxicated, he carried open.

The officer complimented him on his knowledge of the law.

I carry in the shower, while scuba diving, milking cows, mowing the lawn, checking my son's homework, giving the dog a bath, anytime I am outside, Reading the paper, shoveling snow, darning my socks, and building model airplanes.

I am not paranoid, you have to consider all the people that are trying to kill you at any given moment. People are always trying to kill you.

hit the nail on the head

Get rid of those smoke detectors and fire extinguishers, too paranoid appearing.

Where do you find those fire extinguishers that you can carry around with you at all times, in case you spontaneously combust?

The point here is that a firearm carried by someone is no more than a tool to put out several specific types of "fires", and should carry no more symbology than a common fire extinguisher does.

Those that attempt to ridicule people that carry a weapon for self defense are immoral and should be shown to be so.

People are always trying to kill me, too! I don't carry a handgun because my reflexes are lightning quick. I think I'm part ninja.

What are the CCW restrictions in California? Can you carry in a public place? In a stadium during a football game? (they pat you down on admission). Can you carry in a hospital? A courtroom? I'd hate to think of you guys disarming with all those other folks trying to kill you.

For the record, I'm a gun owner and whole-heartedly approve of CCW permits. In fact, I think they should be granted on a "shall permit" basis. I've never heard of a CCW holder comitting a violent crime with a gun. I don't need a CCW permit. Like I said, I'm part ninja...

I even carry when taking a dump...just in case I have to shoot the *****!

I find it puzzling that otherwise sane, intelligent people see no need to provide for their own defense. And then stoop to childish ridicule of those who accept this responsibility.

It seems (speaking in generalities) that this is the same ilk who are happy to have a nanny state address all of their other needs as well. No matter that that very state has proven it cannot effectively do so in any arena, much less self defense. They so very wish it would, it could (all the while anxiously wringing their hands), it should, that they are blinded by their own ideals. Oh well; their idealism is at their peril, not mine.

I choose to take responsibility for my own defense. I drive with my seatbelts on and have never "needed" them. I ride wearing a crash helmet, and have only used it once in 30+ years. I keep several fire extinguishers in my home, and have never used one. I have several smoke alarms that have never gone off. I don't run with scissors. These are all seen as "reasonable precautions" by the very same hand-wringing, nanny-state ninnies that deride those of us that choose to provide for our own defense. They are in denial; they are irresponsible cowards. Which is fine, as long as they don't expect me to join them.

I have a CCW and carry. Sometimes I just like to trick Pat into thinking I am immoral. Come to think of it, fires are always trying to burn me. What a conundrum!

EDIT: Great now I am immoral and a ninnie! I am getting t-shirts made.

Thats it.

I think its a throw back to the 1960's. There was a need for social change. Lacking any forceful tools to change people attitudes and mores, 'progressive' thinkers (liberals) and civil rights activitsts turned to the legal/legislative process to evoke change. To a certain extent, they succeded.

But that has lead to, like you said, the belief that government can to anything. Are you a poor child with terrible parents? No problem, the state will be your parent. Are you a junkie? No problem, its no YOUR fault your a junkie. The state must have failed you somewhere along the way.

At the end of the day, liberals don't understand that the government, as large and expensive as it is, is actually a thin veneer on top of our society. Government control is loose and only partially effective. Just look at the border with Mexico.

Ultimately, the individual is responsible for their own actions, and for providing for themselves and the familys.

Any other belief is a utopian fantasy.

AN UNLOADED GUN IS JUST A CLUB.

well here we go again.............the haves and the have nots!

lot less crime 125 years ago here in the west despite dime store novelist's rendition of western life. reason EVERYONE CARRIED A GUN ALL THE TIME!

i think i mentioned this basic animal/human analogy. the hungry big bad mtn. lion does NOT go after the BIG BAD BULL ELK! he goes after the old,the weak,the females, the injured. same brain process with criminal mind. bad guy doesnt go after heavily armed big bad SWAT TEAM MEMBER to steal his wallet.

so in the states that do allow CCW, the bad guy now has to be a hell of alot smarter than his victim. bad guy doesnt know that lil ol me has a big .45. . bad guy probably doesnt think twice about me, cuz i look like a slob most of the time, wearing jeans t-shirt, flip flops,shorts hawaiian shirt. but when bad guy sees me go to atm, he thinks i have alot of money. little does bad guy know that i have a .45, and little does he know i probably only w/drew $40 bucks. also bad guy isnt likely to fuch w/me since i'm 6'3 200 #'s. bad guy is going to wait for little old lady, guy on crutches/wheelchair to pounce upon.

what a dumb ass bad guy............lil old lady packs a glock and guy in wheelchair packs a colt!

now when you go out in p-car...........what are you saying to the world????? come on we all know a p-car feels like a billion bucks to drive around in. especially if you got a SQUEEZE w/you. what does bad guy think? theres lil preppy boy w/a wallet full of cash and a nice piece of a$$ i want, because i havent gotten any in the last 10 years cuz i was in the joint!

with that mentality.............you or i are about to become a victim like it or NOT!

i choose to protect my squeeze, keep my $40 bucks, keep my p-car and STAY ALIVE!

thats the beauty and the POWER OF US CCW HOLDERS vs the have nots. we get to choose the circumstances and draw the line on the playing field in the animal kingdom.

only difference btwn humans and animals, is humans are able to reason, right from wrong. not all humans do so. thats why there are guns to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

peace thru superior overwhelming FIREPOWER!

HAPPINESS IS (2) SAFES FULL OF WARM GUNS...........YES IT IS!

my GUNS ARE FASTER THAN YOUR PORSCHE and my GUNS HAVE MORE KUNG FU THAN YOUR KUNG FU!

CCW's for everyone who wants one and can pass a psych. test and the world will be a better place!

now for the have nots............just to piss you off. the country of iraq, w/the united states blessing, allows each household to own (1) genuine full auto AK-47 w/ (2) clips and (1) handgun! go figure??????

If you feel like you need to have a handgun with you, go ahead, just don't try to make us think it is a responsiblity, a must do to be a brave man. BS


If you need to rationalize the need for a handgun, fine, just don't expect the rest of us to join in your delusion.

stevepaa all the money in the world will not allow you a CCW in the republik of kalif. no matter how rich you may be, you cant legally carry concealed.

i am not rich and i can legally carry concealed.

i have just proven the "haves" and "have nots" theory of true power and meaning in the world!

i get to choose if i want to carry or if i dont. not someone sitting on their fat A$$ in sacramento, kalif. with a swat team guarding them 24/7/365.

personally after umpteen years of carrying concealed, i really avoid states that do not honor CCW's unless i have to go on biz or vacation. and the only thing that gets me to hawaii is the diving. i'm more afeared any day of the meth head bruddahs than i am any damn tiger shark or hammerhead or black tip.

all of us CHOOSE TO CARRY CONCEALED. reasons each of us only know. my reason.................too many murders around me in kalif and arizona and we are not talking the barrios! we are talking very nice zip codes.

imagine if mickey thompson and his wife trudy in kalif., were carrying concealed on the day of their murders. maybe i wouldnt be writing in the past tense.

stick that one in your pipe and smoke it!

U should really shut up while your ahead.

Do U carry while you go out and pick up the newspaper in your driveway in the mornining? Cause thats about the time it happened, and the way it happened. They were no random murders either, but paid hit men. Thompson lived in a Gated Community up in the Foothills in Bradybury, CA.

Mother used to wipe my a$$ after i took a dump, but she refuses to do it anymore, saying 50 years is long enough and that I should grow up. Unfortunately now I get that foul smelling brown stuff on my fingers when I wipe. Oh I long for the Good Ole days...

Steve, I would never try to explain the concept of personal responsibility to a liberal. You guys deny any such burdens exist.

I do see you are a bit confused with the details, however. Carrying a gun is not the responsibility; defending one's self and loved ones is. A handgun is merely a tool with which to meet that moral obligation. If you choose another means, then that is all well and good. If you choose no means, that is fine, too. For you. Not me; my objection starts when your liberal bedfellows want to foist their decisions regarding self defense (or the lack thereof) off on me. You make your choices; I'll make mine. Liberals, unfortunately, don't seem to be all that comfortable with that prospect. They want to make mine, too.

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If you need to rationalize the need for a handgun, fine, just don't expect the rest of us to join in your delusion.

Once again, the need is not for the handgun, but for self defense. An important difference apparently lost on you (atcually, most liberals for that matter), for whatever reason. This is a need that requires no rationalization of any kind, to a rational mind. It's only the decidedly irrational that seem to shirk their responsibility to provide for their defense. It is quite irrational to believe that the good guys in the white hats will ride in just when you need them. It is quite irrational to count on going through your whole life without ever being faced with a violent attack. Most of us do, but some don't. Bet your life, or the life of a loved one on that? Quite irrational.

A handgun is merely the most convenient way, and in most jurisdictions that "allow" their citizens to be armed, the only legal way to be armed. You guys focus too much on the tool, and not at all on the concept. The concept is to provide for your own defense; no one else will. A handgun is simply one way to do that.

You are asking Charles if he carries when he goes out to get the paper? That's a rhetorical question right?:D

hey tabs you mental twit. i knew mickey thompson from the mint 400's in vegas. mickey knew he was gonna be hit. but due to senseless archaic kalif. laws he or trudy couldnt carry.

as far as in the morning going out the door...............you bet your A$$ i am carrying. everyday/everynight............anywhere/anyplace.

my great state as well as others believe in a person being able to defend themselves any place anywhere anytime.

as i said .........the states that allow CCW permits allow their citizens to protect themselves.

other states that disallow CCW permits, really dont give a fuch about their citizens. evidenced by the legal fact you cannot sue the city state county cops for NOT PROTECTING YOU!

i and others can/will protect themselves. i live smack dab in one of the wealthiest zip codes in this state. because i'm rich? hell no! i moved here 25 years ago when their was nothing but rattlesnakes. encroachment has followed in a big way and along come violent illegal aliens w/guns dealing heroin/meth! now you think for one iota of a second i'm gonna put up with that crap in a state i'm a native of???? your nuts to live where YOU CANT PROTECT YOURSELF OR LOVED ONES!

and yes i do sleep w/a pistol on my night stand and have (2) very alert hunting dogs with radar! now the bad guys get to pick what kind of mood im in each day and night.

a 9mm mood/a .45 mood/ a.44 mood. the other (4) days can be switched around to what mfg. mood im in. an HK mood, a S&W mood, a beretta mood, springfield mood, colt mood und so weiter! and we're just talking pistoles! get me going on long guns!

you clowns that allow these continued archaic gun laws to pass cant even protect your lil foo foo dog in heat let alone a family member or yourself.

now if i was a bad guy in the republik of kalif. i'd be smart enough not to attack some one at home as you can have one at home. i wouldnt attack someone going to the gun range. and i wouldnt attack someone going to and from a gunstore. those are the ONLY times you can carry a weapon with you. or at your place of biz.

anywhere else you would be FAIR GAME!

as far as the newspaper...........i live in a rural area w/no delivery.

I've already have a virtual T-shirt "Thrown Hammer = Virtual ninny".

nonsense

actually most everyone I know has never had any such encounter, maybe if I knew of an occurence I might think differently, but I don't.

And again, if you feel the need for it, fine, just understand most don't. And that is where you won't leave it alone but need to call us cowards and irresponsible since we don't see it like you do.

That is rationalization: to create an excuse or more attractive explanation for

It's precisely that, and much more. As elegantly stated in Jeff Snyder's A Nation of Cowards - Essays on the Ethics of Gun Control, anyone who depends on others, or would have others do what he himself is unwilling to do, is immoral and a coward.

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If you need to rationalize the need for a handgun, fine, just don't expect the rest of us to join in your delusion.

Again, it's immoral to ridicule others who take their responsibilites seriously, while you do not.

99% of you guys living in states w/out CCW laws would be stepping on one another to buy a gun, if that state DID ALLOW CCW CARRY!

95% would be for the "MUY MACHO" reason and the other 4% would be for valid protection.

like fast pat said its like a fire extinguisher. or maybe your tool set or your wallet. you may not use it today, but monyana may be different!

http://www.packing.org/state/california/

you really have no clue about CCW in California , do you

hit the nail on the head there

ah so someone wrote it in a book and it must be true? and it fits nicely into your own frame of mind?

yessiree, must be an ultimate truth.