!!!!!a debate about the v8 conversion in porsche please join in!!!!

[hillelson1]

guys face it i am sad to say it but the all aluminum chevy ls1 v-8 is a better motor than even the 3.3t and the 2.5t in both the 930 and 951. it puts out more power weighs less cheaper to fix more reliable and this is all stock not telling all the cheap mods you can do to it. I am not a hot rodder and would never do this to a 911 but the 944 i would do this to. My buddy has and it is sick. please someone argue agianst the points i have made because i love porsches and hate american cars and i wish this wasn't true about the ls1 being a better motor

[jluetjen]

Just revive any of countless other (very long) threads on the subject and let the slugging begin. No reason to start a whole new thread just for this.

[id10t]

In the 356 world, this is known as an outlaw. Its your car, do it if you want, but try not to make it un-doable. Store the original engine, etc. if possible.

Although, there are many more 944/951 in the world than there ever were 356s, but just in case the 944 gets really popular 20 years down the road....

[berettafan]

Whatever floats your boat right?

[thrown_hammer]

So first you start this thread: has anyone every heard of someone putting a ferrari testarossa motor in a porsche? about putting a Ferrari Testerossa engine in a Porsche, then change channels to the LS1 V8, then start a whole new thread about it?

EDIT: Removed content to allow me time to smell some flowers and drink some coffee.....

[hillelson1]

hey, well someone brought up putting a v8 in a 944 and i feel its a good idea while others don't and i want to hear views from both sides.

[legion]

You are correct. However, an SBC (short block chevy) cannot be run at the redline for hours on end with significant modification, but just about any stock Porsche motor can. SBCs are generally set up for either street use or drag racing, neither of which have the endurance requirements of road racing.

[hillelson1]

i didn't know that thanks for the input hence y porsche motors cost so much more. are you sure that the ls1 can't handle a beating like that?

[legion]

I think the LS7 is just about the only "stock" SBC that can.

[Jims5543]

hillelson1 - you would be better off selling your 930 and buying a corvette and being done with it.

You love Porsches but you hate the engines. Well then, you do not "really" like Porsches then. If you prefer the reliability and affordability of a Corvette then buy one. You'll be happier in the long run. They handle every bit as good as or better than a 930 and have the ability to make tons of power cheaply.

I purchased my 911 because it has an air cooled flat 6 in it, it has a disctictive sound and is unique. The bonus is an amazing driving experience in a car that just handles great, feels good under you and makes me smile every time I get in it.

I purchased my RX7 for many of the same reasons. I like the fact it has no pistons in it. Yet, many get frustrated with the engine and swap an LS block into it. Its a very common modification to this particular car and relatively easy to do.

The bottom line is you do what you want its your car. I personally think it turns your car into just another car and no longer a unique article. But, that is my opinion and you have to do what makes you happy.

[Spede]

Would Porsche purists feel that putting a 928 engine in a 911 be acceptable?

[hillelson1]

hi thats a good idea putting a 928 motor in a 911 has that ever been done? also i love the rx-7 and i also love 911s aircooled 6 cyl i have both. the rotory is cool for its light wietgh and high rev with no worries of overreving the engine to consideration. i would never put a v-8 in a 911 my 930 motor blew and i spent the money and got it rebuilt.
thanks for the input ill close the thread now unless anyone wants it to stay open

[legion]

I don't think a 928 engine would fit in a 911.

Has anyone else seen a 928 engine? They are massive.

[CJFusco]

hillelson1, where do I even start?

First off, claims that one engine is "better" than another is just as simple and naive as arguments about one car being "better" than another. There are so many factors to take into account in this kind of argument that makes a decisive conclusion just about impossible.

Does a Chevy V8 put out more power cheaper and easier than a Porsche flat six or turbocharged four? Sure. But as someone already pointed out, you don't see too many Chevelles being run near redline on a road course for hours on end. Porsche engines are built to exacting specifications. Essentially every Porsche engine built from the 1960s to the 1990s has been raced in some form in long-distance endurance racing, and in endurance racing, one cannot afford to perform a top-end rebuild or any serious engine work.

Porsche engines are durable and reliable. Does this make them "better" than Chevy V8? Nah, it just makes them better for certain applications. Just as a Suburu Imprezza is better-suited to rallying than, say, a Dodge Viper, a Porsche engine is a better fit than a Chevy V8 for a certain type of car, and the Chevy V8 is a better engine for another.

I'm not sure what kind of project you're going for. Your sig says you have a 911 Turbo project in the works. May I recommend that you stick to Porsche's air-cooled flat six for your project? It is the perfect size, shape, and weight for your project. If you try to shoehorn a Chevy V8 in there (or a Ferrari V12 or a 951 2.5 Turbo), you would have to modify mounts, bodywork - not to mention that it would completely change the weight bias and balance of the car.

How long have you been driving? Have you driven many Porsches? They are precision machines that benefit from certain types of balance, which rely on weight being located in a certain location on the car. A 911's light front end makes it handle like a scalpel, with razor-sharp exactness in steering feel and a tail-happy rear end that allows a talented driver to steer with the throttle. If you put more (or less) weight in the rear or the front, it would completely upset the balance of the car, making it drive like... well, not a 911.

If you are talking about 944s, their near 50-50 weight bias and low center of gravity make it handle more like a conventional sports car, albeit one that is so composed and neutral that it makes even novice drivers look like heroes at the limit. If you change this weight bias - say, by putting a different engine in the car - you would severely alter the 944's easy driveability.

If you want a drag racer, I suggest you start looking at other marques. If you are looking for an all-around great performer - the tri-athlete of the sports car world - than the Porsche is your weapon of choice. Yes, turbocharged Porsches are very fast in a straight line, but Porsches rarely win races on the straights.

The engine might be the heart of the car, but it is far from the whole story.

[NICKG]

914 = v8 = big fun.........

[nostatic]

what's your goal? To go fast?

[Icemaster]

Tell you what, I'll go find you a nice low miles LS1 and trade you your 930 for it. Deal?

[nota]

the Dr P started this out as a VW hotrodder CORP
remember the roots

I wouldnot object to a chevy V8 in a 944 or 914
and would pay more for a well done swap
but a 911 just seems wrong somehow

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Fun? Probably. Elegant? No way.

To date I've never heard of it being done without losing power brakes since you lose the most logical location for the power booster. Not particularly a good deal, IMO. Power without control is suicidal.

Plus, if you build a Chevy V8 hybrid, your penis will automatically shrink by 3".

If you start posting on the hybrid bulletin board, it'll turn into an "innie".

[hillelson1]

ok you convinced me v8 in a 911 is a bad idea but i still have dreams of putting one in a 914 or maybe a 20b rotary in a 914.
my 930 project is done and i love it and i have been driving porsche for 3 years i have owned over 30 cars including 7 911's and 911's are the best driving but the mazda rx-7s come close.