Stijn,
our downfall was..
no application of common sense!
Rika

Waging a War on Terror&trade doesn't imply intent to win.

that's a great idea!

A vote for Hillary!

just another example of how we've lost control of our own laws Stijn. as I said we may have to use a degree of totalitarian rule to get control back. And THAT's what we fear.

Voters are more concerned that they elect the person that gives them more of someone else's money. Note the recent elections.

well, i figured that much... in the end, it's a mentality issue across the board,

while i'm beeing flamed on the drunkcheckpoint thread for beeing a liberal socialist europunk with no liberty, freedom...

y'all have simply been in collective state of denial, a denial that for some means they will rabidly defend it's validity,
simply because y'all are individually aware of nothing other then what what affects you individually, and will not accept a collective effort for what is the greater good and in turn also good for y'all individually .... does that make sense?

It makes sense...but I could make the same case about what we are doing in the middle east.

well i'll disagree on that one, Iraq should ave been left in isolated state, and now it's a powder keg... i say defuse the bugger, or at least contain the keg.... let them figure out how to deal with their own lifestyle, in the end they'll need to export oil for the stuff they can't grow on sand...in the mean time the oil consumers simply learn to deal with expensive oil , and look for other ways, i call that evolution...but that's just me.

If they continue to kill each other at the current rate...the few remaining will be easy to control.