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Rearden 02-21-2007 05:01 PM

Why they hate us, part 17
 
http://www.thememriblog.org/image/382.JPG

<< "Hillary" and "Obama" – A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the Campaign for the American Presidency >>

Religious man says "This is another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization"

from Al-Ahram, Egypt

dd74 02-21-2007 05:19 PM

Hmmm...I'm trying to figure out at what I should laugh (sardonically):
1) Use of the word "Negro."
2) The misspelling of Hillary.
3) The really poor caricature of...what...is that supposed to be, a conservative Israeli Jew?

** I'd stick to posting Peanuts and Charlie Brown. There's less chance of confusing issues with stereotypes.

Jim Richards 02-21-2007 05:23 PM

I'm sure it made perfect sense to him when he found the cartoon. ;)

island911 02-21-2007 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dd74

1) Use of the word "Negro.". .

Rrriiight, didn't the ROW get the memo? -"African Americans."







:rolleyes:
:D

.. that is, I'll bet that Arabic translates more closely to "Negro" than to "African American." ;)

Rearden 02-21-2007 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dd74
Hmmm...I'm trying to figure out at what I should laugh (sardonically):
1) Use of the word "Negro."
2) The misspelling of Hillary.
3) The really poor caricature of...what...is that supposed to be, a conservative Israeli Jew?

** I'd stick to posting Peanuts and Charlie Brown. There's less chance of confusing issues with stereotypes.

1) as somebody says, "African-American" hasn't made it to Egypt yet
2) that is funny
3) not a Jew. A Sunni religious man.

Al-Ahram is the second oldest daily newspaper in the Arab world.

sammyg2 02-21-2007 05:32 PM

Lesse, a bunch of animalistic unsocialized sub-human monsters who kill because they like killing hate me, even though they (muslim extremists) use any excuse they can to justify their actions including a religion that basically says what they do it wrong.

They do not need a cartoon. they do not need a war. All they need is an excuse and that can be in any form.
They are brainwashed murderers who cannot be stopped, they can only be eliminated.
Elimination can be in the form of attitude modification or conventional means. Realistically I don't think either are possible. They will keep growing in numbers and in extreme actions, until they provoke the ultimate end. For all of us.

dd74 02-21-2007 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by island911
Rrriiight, didn't the ROW get the memo? -"African Americans."







:rolleyes:
:D

.. that is, I'll bet that Arabic translates more closely to "Negro" than to "African American." ;)

Hard to say. Maybe Rearden is quoting "Negro" directly from the comic. If that's the case, my hat's off to Rearden for his ability at Arabic-to-English translation. :p

dd74 02-21-2007 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rearden
1) as somebody says, "African-American" hasn't made it to Egypt yet
2) that is funny
3) not a Jew. A Sunni religious man.

Al-Ahram is the second oldest daily newspaper in the Arab world.

So you translated it yourself?

Rearden 02-21-2007 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dd74
So you translated it yourself?
No, I didn't. It was translated at MEMRI.

island911 02-21-2007 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dd74
Hard to say. Maybe Rearden is quoting "Negro" directly from the comic. If that's the case, my hat's off to Rearden for his ability at Arabic-to-English translation. :p
as somebody says, as somebody says, "African-American" hasn't made it to Egypt yet.

The cartoon is a dig on both. (as well as their respective "minority" status') Do you expext it translates to something PC?

. . or are you saying it should have been translated to PC?

Jim Richards 02-21-2007 05:45 PM

So, does it also say that "they hate us," as in the title of the thread? Or does it say that they dislike us? Or maybe that they want to throw their support behind one of the neocon candidates, but that they don't have any pictures of them for their cartoonist? And why do they want to vote for a Dem candidate in the US anyway?

dd74 02-21-2007 05:45 PM

Neither, really. I wanted to know how it was translated. When the term "sand monkeys" comes up, I'm sure things will be much clearer.

Rearden 02-21-2007 05:49 PM

They hate us for our liberalism*, if that's actually not clear to you. Next time, I'll add commentary. I thought it was clear as a stand-alone cartoon.

*as in liberty, not as political leaning.

stomachmonkey 02-21-2007 05:50 PM

They hate us because we would consider a woman or black man as the leader of our country?

island911 02-21-2007 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rearden
http://www.thememriblog.org/image/382.JPG

<< "Hillary" and "Obama" – A Woman and a Negro are Participating in the Campaign for the American Presidency >>

Religious man says "This is another sign of the collapse of the Western civilization"


from Al-Ahram, Egypt
Jim, have a look. Arabic reads right to left. Note the << and the "" marks in the cartoon.

dd, I wouldn't be surprised if "woman" is a more PC translation. -d/k

Rearden 02-21-2007 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stomachmonkey
They hate us because we would consider a woman or black man as the leader of our country?
Bingo.

Jim Richards 02-21-2007 05:53 PM

But aren't their a lot of black muslims in Africa, even in positions of authority? Are you sure they hate Obama? We know everyone hates Hillary...all the neocons say so.

dd74 02-21-2007 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rearden
I thought it was clear as a stand-alone cartoon.

Nah! Not this one. But whatever. Scots like eating out of a sheep's stomach, and the French think Jerry Lewis is a comic genius. What can you do?

Rearden 02-21-2007 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
But aren't their a lot of black muslims in Africa, even in positions of authority? Are you sure they hate Obama? We know everyone hates Hillary...all the neocons say so.
Yes, no, no, perhaps.

Jim Richards 02-21-2007 06:02 PM

Ahh, thanks for clearing it all up for me. :)


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