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Even when something is not quite proven, the perceived risk forces us to perform corrective action, all the while perfoming other investigations to find true root cause and effect. Any other path is negligent.
So you're suggesting we should hand our eye patches and parrots?

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Old 03-01-2007, 02:32 PM
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I've started looking at the GW issue as I do the race issue: it's a worthy cause to be concerned about no matter who is causing/perpetuating it.

The problem, as I see it, is that the extremists involved on both sides, who insult our intelligence with stupid data/statistics/comments. We all have to tolerate the cheneys and gores or else nothing will get done.

So I've decided to ignore the crap and make up my own mind which issues are important to me and the environment is one of them.

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Old 03-01-2007, 03:11 PM
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You have to hand it to Gore. He should be President right now, were it not for the partisan Supreme Court decision. He should have won by a landslide against Bush, as is evident now, but he's boring as hell, a lousy campaigner, and didn't run strongly enough on Clinton's coattails. He should have made that impeachment an issue, which appalled most people except for the Clinton haters, who orchestrated the whole thing anyways.

Gore has done himself well taking the leadership on Global Warming that other politicians in Washington have avoided. He has gotten the corporate establishment behind the issue, and they are now busy trying to figure out how to make a profit from it. That's reflected in the stock price rise for some companies, such as DuPont.

You have to contrast ex-Presidents or Vice Presidents like Carter and Gore with Nixon and Ford, who didn't do much after leaving office. Ford played golf in Palm Springs. Nixon wrote books. Bush,Sr and Clinton have done some good together. They seem to be friends. Bush, Jr doesn't hold a candle to his dad.
Are you really this stupid, I hope you don't miss a payment at the Buy Here - Pay Here lot on your SC, hat to see you taking the bus. Gore never won, there is no evidence that he did, just the opposite, we found out he lost by more than we thought is no leader, Carter has done more to hurt this country since he was voted out (who thought he could screw the USA up More than he did when in office). gore the bore is only doing this to get attention from the MW crowd who aren't smart enough to know that Mother Earth has been going through these cycles since she was first formed.
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Old 03-01-2007, 03:12 PM
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I think the glaring issue is the hypocrisy involved. Gore stands up before a national audience and proclaims that "there is something that we all can do" to reduce pollution while paying over $1300 a month to heat and cool one of his houses. Same thing as di Caprio saying that we all should go green as he steps onto his private jet.

Second, I did hear an interesting climatologist (from Princeton I think...could be wrong there) on the radio a couple weeks back and his theory was that temperatures certainly were going up, but he thought that CO2 levels rose in response to a rise in temperature, not the other way around.

He also said that with how much China and India are polluting, we could drop the US emissions by 50% and still not make a bit of difference in the end as we will be dwarfed by those two countries in the near future.
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[...] aren't smart enough to know that Mother Earth has been going through these cycles since she was first formed.
...6000 years ago, right?
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...6000 years ago, right?
I'm not sure, I must have been drinking when the Earth was formed.
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I saw Gore the other night on the Oscar show. As boring as he is, it had to be a highlight. After all, he had Dicaprio next to him, one of the bright lights out there.

You have to hand it to Gore. He should be President right now, were it not for the partisan Supreme Court decision. He should have won by a landslide against Bush, as is evident now, but he's boring as hell, a lousy campaigner, and didn't run strongly enough on Clinton's coattails. He should have made that impeachment an issue, which appalled most people except for the Clinton haters, who orchestrated the whole thing anyways.

Gore has done himself well taking the leadership on Global Warming that other politicians in Washington have avoided. He has gotten the corporate establishment behind the issue, and they are now busy trying to figure out how to make a profit from it. That's reflected in the stock price rise for some companies, such as DuPont.

You have to contrast ex-Presidents or Vice Presidents like Carter and Gore with Nixon and Ford, who didn't do much after leaving office. Ford played golf in Palm Springs. Nixon wrote books. Bush,Sr and Clinton have done some good together. They seem to be friends. Bush, Jr doesn't hold a candle to his dad.
What utter garbage. You're just as bad as the neocons out here, which isn't surprising since they're another form of sociofascist.

Gore is an ignorant, statist, eco-religionist fool.

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Anyone hear about Bush's ranch house?

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It has pipes going 300 ft underground running water through the constant 67 degree temps of the deep ground to cool in the summer and warm in the winter. He also has a 25,000 gallon water reservoir that collects and cleans water from showers, toilets, and rain water run-off which is then re-used to water plants and other non-consumable water uses.

It's estimated that his utility costs are cut by 25%. He's also been on the 'green' plan for a decade.

Gore, just signed up recently. Is just now adding solar panels, and said, "I use flourescent bulbs." Wow, Al. You're quite the enviro-leader.
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I saw Gore the other night on the Oscar show. As boring as he is, it had to be a highlight. After all, he had Dicaprio next to him, one of the bright lights out there.

You have to hand it to Gore. He should be President right now, were it not for the partisan Supreme Court decision. He should have won by a landslide against Bush, as is evident now, but he's boring as hell, a lousy campaigner, and didn't run strongly enough on Clinton's coattails. He should have made that impeachment an issue, which appalled most people except for the Clinton haters, who orchestrated the whole thing anyways.

Gore has done himself well taking the leadership on Global Warming that other politicians in Washington have avoided. He has gotten the corporate establishment behind the issue, and they are now busy trying to figure out how to make a profit from it. That's reflected in the stock price rise for some companies, such as DuPont.

You have to contrast ex-Presidents or Vice Presidents like Carter and Gore with Nixon and Ford, who didn't do much after leaving office. Ford played golf in Palm Springs. Nixon wrote books. Bush,Sr and Clinton have done some good together. They seem to be friends. Bush, Jr doesn't hold a candle to his dad.
I kept waiting for the punch line....waiting...waiting....waiting....and then it hit me.

You were serious!!!

Dude, that's the most hilarious thing I've heard in a long, long time.

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I kept waiting for the punch line....waiting...waiting....waiting....and then it hit me.

You were serious!!!

Dude, that's the most hilarious thing I've heard in a long, long time.

Randy
That's why I consider Gore, and hytem based on his message, eco-religionists. They have virtually no basis for their so-called "facts" so the accolytes must take what Gore is preaching on faith.

There's a great new book out on GW that lays it all out, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming (and Environmentalism), sales ranked #44 on Amazon today, and a best seller since it's release February 12, 2007.
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Global warming is the new Killer Bee.

Now the last time I brought that up someone pointed out that Killer Bees do actually kill people. I want everyone here to know know that they are “KILLER” Bees. They are not “WHISPERING” Bees or “JUGGLING” Bess, they are “KILLER” Bees. So the possibility exists that a “KILLER“ Bee may kill you. Just not in the epidemic numbers the media led us to believe.
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I think the glaring issue is the hypocrisy involved. Gore stands up before a national audience and proclaims that "there is something that we all can do" to reduce pollution while paying over $1300 a month to heat and cool one of his houses.
To me this is the typical rich (really rich) person response. In essence he is saying, "I can use as much energy as I want because I can PAY someone else to conserve for me."

The problem with this is that he is actually placing MORE of a burden on the poor individual who does not have enough money to pay their way out of personal inconvenience.

The other thing it highlights is that it is not about the actually environment at all. It is about making themselves FEEL good about their own excesses.
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The other thing it highlights is that it is not about the actually environment at all. It is about making themselves FEEL good about their own excesses.
A liberal with guilt issues? Never...
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Global warming is the new Killer Bee.
And I thought Global Warming is more like Santa Claus:

If you believe, really truly believe with your whole heart and being as hard as you can, then it exists.
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And once again here are the Pirates.

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Gee, Shawn. So I show a graph of the earth's temperature clearly showing an anomalous behavior. I show no cause and yet you think this graph of pirates has some correlation to the discussion.

The first step would be to show any physical basis for something that pirates do that can affect the earth's temperature.

As you fail to do that, you might as well show a picture of this as cause for global warming.




It has the same relevance to the issue as your post.
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Gee, Shawn. So I show a graph of the earth's temperature clearly showing an anomalous behavior. I show no cause and yet you think this graph of pirates has some correlation to the discussion.

The first step would be to show any physical basis for something that pirates do that can affect the earth's temperature.

As you fail to do that, you might as well show a picture of this as cause for global warming.

It has the same relevance to the issue as your post.
So you have proof that CO2 is causing global warming? Isn't that the actual debate? Whether GW is causing increased CO2 or if increased CO2 is causing GW?

Similarly we must debate whether a warming earth is killing pirates or if the loss of pirates is heating the earth
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Gee, Shawn. So I show a graph of the earth's temperature clearly showing an anomalous behavior. I show no cause and yet you think this graph of pirates has some correlation to the discussion.

The first step would be to show any physical basis for something that pirates do that can affect the earth's temperature.

As you fail to do that, you might as well show a picture of this as cause for global warming.

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It has the same relevance to the issue as your post.
Actually my graph supports your graph. I believe perhaps the serphipalous equation is fairly benign, but for the most part the increase in atmospheric CO2 has led to a decline in Pirates. It seems that perhaps you have erroneously assumed the inversion of the outcome.

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