Supe is no more than a Democratic Liberal. You too, on-ramp. Whew; glad that's out of the way...

We do have some serious issues ("we" = Democratic Liberals and Republican Conservatives) to address concerning our out-of-control, illegal traffic enforcement infrastructure. Maybe we can talk about those?

Joe, I prefer the "Golden Rule" - he who has the gold, makes the rules.

OH MY GOD! that is one of the funniest things I've read all day. ha ha

:D :D

Rick,

Yep, we have some of the gold so we buy the Valentine One and hopefully do not get caught.

That said, if I get stopped and am speeding I will pay the ticket. To not do so is lying and sorry, do not need to do this.

Pls do not get me wrong. If I am not speeding and someone gives me a ticket will fight it forever but driving what I drive doubt that this will happen.

Am sure you got this feeling about life from Slick Willie. "I did not have sex with that woman" then the blue dress comes out.

Hope you are happy with your lot in life. I prefer to work with people I trust, who tell the truth and who do not wear blinders and make the rules up as they go.

Are you trying to tell us that you don't work on Sunday Joe?

Unless I have to and no other choice. May be forced to but its only once or twice every few months. Sunday is supposed to be the day of rest and I try to adhere to that concept. After most Saturday's I usually need it! :)

Yesterday was Sunday and I drove up to Flagstaff to meet the Cross Country Pelicans. Did not work one minute...

Had a lot of stuff that I did not get done on Saturday and its being done today.

Happy?

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So what does this say to your family and friends? That you will try to cheat and may only be trusted to do the right thing if you are caught? Put another way, you will try to get away with it if you can?

Trying to beat it by using your Valentine is to me the same as trying to squirm out of it if you are caught.

That might be funny if you did not really believe it to be true. That you believe it to be true is troubling.

Everybody is doing it so it should be legal and i expect not to be penalized if i am doing it too. Nice attitude.

This reminds me of the dumba$$ that *****ed and moaned about getting a ticket in the mail for running a redlight.

Joe, this topic is not about speeding and getting caught. in that case, yes, i agree, you should pay the fine.

go reread the initial post to find out what this thread is about before you embarass yourself further.

Sorry, if I am caught will fess up and pay the ticket. Big difference.

Please show me one time where someone was not speeding and received a ticket. One showing a speed lower than the limit and ticketed.

I believe a lot of things that are troubling. Believe in 3 hours I will have a cigar and margarita by the pool. Need to listen to the airplanes flying overhead...

You probably know that VA has abolished red light cameras and a lot of it was because folks found out that counties had retimed the yellow lights to be shorter in the hopes of catching more people, who otherwise would have been through before the light turned red. So I would be pretty upset about receiving such a ticket. The one time I did get nabbed for that, I was in the middle of the intersection waiting to make a left turn, but the oncoming car, that eventually turned left, did not put his signal on, so I had to wait a few extra seconds. Flash! Camera got me. Luckily, I was already halfway into my turn, so it just got the side of the car and no plate #. Any cop who saw that would not have ticketed me.

Furthermore, red light camera tickets carry no points and are relatively cheap, yet really blowing off a red light is one of the most dangerous things you can do. So why don't they make the fine $500 with 4 pts.? Why don't they just leave the lights timed as before? Because they want more money and $90 and no points are not gonna make most people fight them.

Our presumption is that speed limits are established and enforced as a tool to facilitate public safety. Increasingly, there has been a huge disconnect between ticketing "speeders" and preserving public safety. In many cases, no rational safety based argument can be made for most speeding tickets. The motivation for the aggressive enforcement of speed laws is clearly economic.

So now lets talk about "the big lie." When an officer writes a ticket for an offense that is clearly not jeopardizing public safety, he has violated the public trust. He is no longer serving the public, he is collecting revenue. So is it reasonable to fight a ticket when you know you are "guilty"? If the officer has violated the public trust in writing the ticket, I see no moral imperative to roll over and pay a fine without a fight.

Right on, Moses. In the particular case in question, going slower than the pace of traffic would have constituted a hazard. There is no "safety" component to this kind of enforcement.

so because the coppers are unable to pull EVERYONE who speeds over they should not pull ANYONE who speeds over?

it's a law, if you broke it be prepared to pay the penalty.

The 'hazard' would be caused by the other 99% who are speeding. Moral responsibility for any accidents that may occur due to speed differential is solely shouldered by the speeders and NOT the person obeying the limit.

IMO the thought process used by Moses is not very different from that of a gang rapist or the looters in N.O. "Everybody else is doing it and i will benefit personally by doing it as well.....so i will do it!".

Are you kidding me? Anyone going 55mph (that's the speed limit) on the Beltway IS causing the danger there. Speed doesn't kill. Speed delta does. Can I have a glass of your Kool-Aid?

We are all entitled to our own opinions. Mine happens to be that if you try to beat the system by not getting caught you are no better than someone trying to beat it after being caught. You are making a conscious deliberate effort to break the law. That's worth repeating. You are making a conscious deliberate effort to break the law.

And your statement was

Not, But I can oblige you there.

Does not happen to me as much now that I am in my forties. In my twenties I got pulled over all the time for no reason. Why? I was young and drove a nice expensive car. The fact that I also had long hair and a "tinted" complexion made me a target.

One example of many.
I'm on the highway heading to work. 2 cops in a cruiser are coming down the on ramp. I'm a little in front of them and they start to pass me. As they pass I see the guy in the passenger seat give me the once over. They slow down, get behind me and light them up.
So I pull over and politely ask what's the problem. I loved this answer, "It did not look like you were wearing your seat belt, (which I was, black belt against a white shirt, yeah, I can see how that can be missed) but as long as we are here license and regi please. Cop2 is walking around the car peering in every window. Naturally they ask the old, mind if we look thru the car question. Hey no problem have a great time, knock yourself out. I hung out and smoked a butt while they made themselves crazy looking for god knows what. Car was a black RX7 with a black interior, it was the dead of summer and hot. I made sure I turned off the ignition and AC before they started poking around and working up a nice sweat.

And BTW, he wrote me the seat belt ticket. When I protested he simply replied that he did not see it and I must have slipped it on before pulling over.

I'd love to live in your world. Seems much nicer than the real world.

Rick you're saying the 55mph driver is causing a dangerous situation because he is failing to break the law along with everyone else.

That sits okay with you?

I recall reading somewhere that everyone going faster than us is a nutjob speed freak and everyone going slower is an old man that should have his license pulled.

The law itself is dangerous and unjust. It neevr had anything to do with safety when it was nationalized in the '70's, but rather was about energy consumption following the Arab oil embargo. 'Scuse me while my 42 mpg, 500 lbs. motorcycle goes along with the flow of traffic.