I think China's response would be to deport all western foreign exchange students immediately.

Good observation.

Now they're saying the shooter was 23 and a green card holder, which makes him eligible to legally buy guns in VA. Still doesn't change anything, except the gun grabbers will scream about it being to easy to buy guns legally. I doubt any law would have deterred this one.

No doubt.

It appears this guy was looking for his estranged girlfriend. Imagine if his sole intent were to kill as many as possible, using more effective means, riding around on a motorcycle throwing pipe bombs into full classrooms, or a dining area; or a tanker truck full of diesel and ammonium nitrate fertilizer into the football stadium in Ann Arbor or Lincoln during a big football game. That is the sort of stuff Homeland Security would be gunning for, or I imagint that to be the case anyway

it surprises me that in all these "VA shooting' threads, it always turns to "i hope they don't take my guns away"

the pro gun folks seem way ahead of everybody else to start ranting that it's not about the guns...

for crying out loud, the victims aren't even buried, and all you lot think of is "my rights might be in danger if the antigun folks pick up on this story..."

Turns out he was South Korean, according to CNN.

He killed 32 people. That qualifies as a lot of people to me, and certainly goes beyond a romantic deception and some work related stress. I would be curious to see how his grades were, if he was attending the classes, what websites he visited, what his roomates had to say about him, and so on...

Aurel

Well, there are already editorials in newspapers today calling for more feel-good, do-nothing gun laws, which is why we're worried.

What's going on at VA Tech?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/341524-whats-going-va-tech.html

2nd post

this thread
3rd post

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/341673-press-irresponsibility-after-va-tech-massacre.html
8th post, but again , nobody from the anti gun crowd started off about it
it's the pro gun people who get upset...

frankly , give it a bloody rest, people are mourning
talk about your rights when they at least got to bury their dead

Stijn, how you feel if someone with a Porsche went on a killing spree by mowing people down with his car and then the press started clamoring to ban Porsches? And it's not even a right to drive a car here, but it is to own a gun.

No one in here knows these poor folks (unless I am mistaken), so there is no reason to allow for or even experience mourning. Many times this number will die today on US roads yet we can argue seatbelt laws all day. Again, if someone here has experienced a personal loss here I apologize and all should pull back...but I don't think that's the case and this is certainly a valid topic for debate.

terrible, but i wouldn't be so selfish to think me me me me me my rights at that time.. call me a bit empathic, but i feel bad for those who died , me don't matter compared to their troubles


and every thread on the subject so far has been turned into the "my gun right is in trouble"

I'm not thinking me, me, me. But the fact is that had there been someone else there with a gun, there would have been a decent chance of stopping this nut. The knee-jerk reaction to blame inanimate objects for a senseless crime makes it even more senseless. Every time something like this happens, it continues until the killer is stopped by a gun. Having to wait hours until the police figure things out just prolongs it. I haven't been in such a situation before, but I don't think I'd stand idly by while armed and let the slaughter continue. Yet, that's exactly what more gun laws would ensure happens the next time.

My little Chihuahua....give it a rest.

We all feel bad for these poor folks, but since none of them or their families etc.. are here.......nothing we say here affects them in any way so it's not a matter of empathy or even respect.

then bloody start a thread titled " Gun laws vs VA shooting"
instead of twisting every other VA thread towards that subject

not everybody feels like bothering with a pointless discussion where the 2 sides are so not willing to change or compromise...

Lighten up, Francis. I didn't start this thread.

now just maybe, my previous suggestion a year ago makes sense.

ARM all teachers. mandate they undergo psych. evaluation and then our students may be safe.

anybody who has a woody to raise holy hell, will get a firearm. thats a given. burglary/buy out of newspaper etc.

pretty piss poor response by local cop shop if you ask me. pretty piss poor response by students also. guy had to reload, why didnt someone rush him. hell take a chair and nail him up side the head! i know i wasnt there, but really it comes down to fight or flight, and from alot of accounts people just stood there or went to floor.

being around firearms all my life..............when i hear a round go off, i want to know who and what they are shooting at! hearing gunhots on a campus is NEVER NORMAL!

maybe this will push arizona to arming local college campus cops to avoid a replay. since i have a CCW, I CAN GO ON A CAMPUS w/a weapon. i must leave it in vehicle.

makes more and more sense for CCW laws doesnt it.



if teachers had been armed, alot less people would be dead!

Also:

Arm bus drivers, refuse collectors, streetsweepers, nurses, just to name a few. (Just kidding) But seriously:

len; the lack of empathy by some here is appalling. Yes....a Porsche could be used to mow down people, but mowing down people is not the primary purpose the Porsche was built. What is the primary purpose of a firearm?

Yes...years ago I had a friend shot and killed in a senseless drive by. The perp was never caught. If I appear a bit more sensitive that some of you, so be it.

You want to keep weapons out of the hands of the bad guys? Follow the money. If there has to be control, perhaps it should be farmed out to an organization like the NRA which is so sensitive about its image. Let the NRA regulate dealers and have inspection responsibilities with domestic manufacturers. After all, this would be in the NRAs best interests, preserving the rights of its members and providing a public service. Have the manufacturers submit on a regular basis a list of every firearm produced and where it was sent. If this is already being done, then it isn't being done efficiently.

No one should be armed if they don't want to be. But sane, law abiding citizens should not be disarmed by laws that do absolutely nothing but guarantee a disarmed popluace ripe for attack by some nut.

And I never knew the purpose of a gun was to kill. How have I made it 35 yrs. in houses full of guns, even loaded guns, without ever killing anyone? I shot a bird and a rabbit when I was a kid. But I killed a deer and a racoon with my SC two yrs. ago. Never even came close to being hurt by a gun or a person with one. I did have a knife pulled on me once. When are they getting banned? I've have had some real close calls with cars, drunk drivers, cell phone chatters while driving, etc.

I have no lack of empathy at all. I'm just rebutting grossly ignorant calls for more gun control which would never ever prevent a single crime, let alone one by a very determined nut.