New info - VA Shooter Chinese exchange student

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Fox is reporting this

EDIT - Fox is now reporting he is South Korean - EDIT

VaSteve · 04-16-2007, 05:57 PM

Not surprising... a TON of VT students are foreign exchange. It's an odd mix, lost of international students in a mostly white goodoleboy town.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Yes, but a foreign exchange student isn't eligble to buy a gun at a gun shop.

VaSteve · 04-16-2007, 06:03 PM

Ok, so what's your point?

You don't have to be a citizen to kill people:

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—Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.

dd74 · 04-16-2007, 06:05 PM

Doesn't matter if the student's foreign or not. It seems he suffered "social" problems and had g/f trouble. Guns are the easy part.

lendaddy · 04-16-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by dd74
Doesn't matter if the student's foreign or not. It seems he suffered "social" problems and had g/f trouble. Guns are the easy part.

???

MRM · 04-16-2007, 06:06 PM

So what? The Columbine kids were white upper class. Your point is?

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

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Originally posted by VaSteve
Ok, so what's your point?

You don't have to be a citizen to kill people:

You need to have a certain resident status to be able to legally purchase a firearm.

VaSteve · 04-16-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by red-beard
You need to have a certain resident status to be able to legally purchase a firearm.

How many "legally purchased" weapons are used in mass murder sprees? And if if so, if you're planning on not making it out of there alive...what do you care if you broke the law when procuring the weapon. You're trying to make some kind of point, but between this thread and the other, damned if I know what it is

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

We have passed law after law after law and it doesn't stop someone like this wacko. That is my point. Sometimes, the only way to stop force is with force. The VA campus is a self defense free zone. Known, or unknown to the shooter, the policy helped him kill more.

VaSteve · 04-16-2007, 06:24 PM

Statistically, most of these rampages are not stopped by the police OR anyone else. They are stopped by the whacko's themselves.

The campus is a weapons free zone, but hardly a "shoot me, I'm defenseless zone". Many of the kids today defended themselves with the best tool available...their brains. The barricaded themselves in, played dead, etc.

You can't effectively plan for this type of event once it has begun...

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Very true, which is why you must be prepared and vigilent ahead of time. Removing self defense tools of law abiding citizens did not help.

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

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Originally posted by VaSteve
How many "legally purchased" weapons are used in mass murder sprees? And if if so, if you're planning on not making it out of there alive...what do you care if you broke the law when procuring the weapon. You're trying to make some kind of point, but between this thread and the other, damned if I know what it is

Actually, a surprising number are legally aquired. I remember a case in Stockton that happened while I was going to school in Oregon. Guy bought all his weapons in OR, jumped I-5 south and shot a bunch of kids.

Pretty sure the McDonalds deal in San Diego was with a legal weapon too. I remember that one because the guy was disgruntled because he was turned down for a job, and my good friend Bruce was the one he told him no. Luby's Cafeteria Massacre in Texas was with legal guns also, as I recall.

You can't plan for it once it has begun, that is reacting. Planning happens before something goes down.

campbellcj · 04-16-2007, 08:54 PM

Actually, planning usually happens AFTER something has gone down. Hindsight is 20/20, or certainly better than foresight in almost every case.

Judging from what I heard on the radio today, I'd say that the campus security staff and local PD could have done much better.

Zef · Zef's Garage

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Originally posted by red-beard
You need to have a certain resident status to be able to legally purchase a firearm.

Go to a low class bar...and you can buy a gun...Gun shops are not the only place to buy that...!

livi · 04-17-2007, 02:23 AM

I was under the ignorant impression that anyone could by a gun on the next corner (illegally) in the US ?

Reasonably connected that is of course probably true in Sweden or any other country too.. unfortunately.

livi · 04-17-2007, 03:15 AM

I suppose you guys get that a lot - particularly from wide-eyed durn forners whose bulk of information comes from watching American B-movies on the tele.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Yes. And usually we don't have "Diehard" like gun battles in the streets.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Yes. And usually we don't have "Diehard" like gun battles in the streets. I'd say that life here, and the police, are not like CSI or any of those shows, but I don't watch those shows...

Aurel · Aurel's Garage

Once again, what this shooting demonstrates to me is that there is not such a terrorist threat on the USA as the mass media would want us to beleive. Why? Because any muslim radical could have done what this chinese guy did. Actually, it could have happened simultaneously in several campuses. But it did not. Why? Because homeland security is doing such a fine job? I don`t think so. You can`t do anything against nutcases like that who are willing to die, especially in a country where firearms are so easy to obtain.

Aurel