Cho Seung-Hui - ‘This didn't have to happen.’

[the]

Originally posted by sjf911
It is easy to identify the "risk" in retrospect in this individual. However, there are enormous numbers of individuals like this out there that never commit acts like this.

That's true. If we are going to go out and investigate/detain/arrest every f'd up/"suicidal"/despondent/desperate/unpredictable/dark/depressed teen and college student out there, we are really going to have our hands full.

[azasadny]

Originally posted by Tim Hancock
This freaken moron ALONE is solely at fault...... not law enforcement, his family, the university, gun laws, guns, friends (or lack thereof), teachers or anything or onyone else.

Why the news is attempting to assign blame to everyone just infuriates me. WTF is wrong with people these days? This 23 year old freaking lunatic decided to murder a bunch of people. There is nothing that society can do to prevent someone bent on going postal from doing so. This freak could have done this with a bomb, a knife, an axe, a car on the school sidewalks etc etc.

This trajedy is sickening enough without having to listen to all the effing finger pointing blame assigners.

RANT OVER

Couldn't have said it better myself! Thanks, Tim!

[rcecale]

Originally posted by Tim Hancock
This freaken moron ALONE is solely at fault...... not law enforcement, his family, the university, gun laws, guns, friends (or lack thereof), teachers or anything or onyone else.

Why the news is attempting to assign blame to everyone just infuriates me. WTF is wrong with people these days? This 23 year old freaking lunatic decided to murder a bunch of people. There is nothing that society can do to prevent someone bent on going postal from doing so. This freak could have done this with a bomb, a knife, an axe, a car on the school sidewalks etc etc.

This trajedy is sickening enough without having to listen to all the effing finger pointing blame assigners.

RANT OVER

Oh, c'mon now, Tim! I thought everyone knew that "it takes a village." If we as a civilized society can't (or won't) accept the responsibility for this guys "shortcomings", how on earth can we expect him to bear that burden by himself?
[/tongue in cheek]

Randy

[Scott at Pelican Parts]

Shame on NBC. They should have shown the material to other media representatives in a private viewing and then turned it all over to the FBI, never to be used to glorify the psychopath.

[rouxroux]

And if he had NOT been able to buy pistols, he would have just found another way to kill....say, a car. So He walks into a car dealership, plonks down $1000 and then rolls through campus and mows people down. Would you then be equally angry and call for "CAR Control", or banning CARS? This is just another dose of trying to "socialize" America.

Gun control is a 4" group at 50'

[the]

Originally posted by Scott at Pelican Parts
Shame on NBC. They should have shown the material to other media representatives in a private viewing and then turned it all over to the FBI, never to be used to glorify the psychopath.

I do think glorifying the guy, and giving him a non-stop national media to air his video and "manifesto," over and over again will lead others to do the same thing in the future.

It's going to inspire some who are going to go out to chose to go out in a "blaze of glory."

[on-ramp]

Originally posted by Scott at Pelican Parts
Shame on NBC. They should have shown the material to other media representatives in a private viewing and then turned it all over to the FBI, never to be used to glorify the psychopath.

it's all about the ratings. And ratings = big business.

[Chocaholic]

Originally posted by Scott at Pelican Parts
Shame on NBC. They should have shown the material to other media representatives in a private viewing and then turned it all over to the FBI, never to be used to glorify the psychopath.

Then why are we wasting perfectly good bandwidth on this topic here? The losses are horrendous, but they're not the topic here. Forget the ********* and move on. Nothing more to discuss. Move along. Topic closed.

[tabs]

Originally posted by Tim Hancock
This freaken moron ALONE is solely at fault...... not law enforcement, his family, the university, gun laws, guns, friends (or lack thereof), teachers or anything or onyone else.

Why the news is attempting to assign blame to everyone just infuriates me. WTF is wrong with people these days? This 23 year old freaking lunatic decided to murder a bunch of people. There is nothing that society can do to prevent someone bent on going postal from doing so. This freak could have done this with a bomb, a knife, an axe, a car on the school sidewalks etc etc.

This trajedy is sickening enough without having to listen to all the effing finger pointing blame assigners.

RANT OVER

If we don't stop and take a look in the mirror, we are doomed to repeat.

Mr Cho wasn't evil, wicked, a lunatic, moron nor any of the invectives hurled at him. To so label him as such is to be able to dismiss him, so that we don't have to deal with ourselves. Mr Cho in the end is a very sad indivdual, who was very lonely and alienated. He suffered all the slings and arrows (BS) that society had to throw at him, and instead of fighting back like most people he internalized them. Slowly it ate at him, unitl he could take it nolonger and in his own twisted way decide to fight back. There were people who tried to get Mr Cho to help, however for his own stuborn, inestimable reason he chose not accept these gestures. This is the truth about Mr Cho.

[Matt Holcomb]

Emotionally, Cho Seung-Hui reached critical mass and finally let these surging, destructive emotions control his actions.

He was always going to kill people on Monday. If he hadn't have had access to a handgun, Cho would have found something else to use as his instrument of death -- a machete, a utility knife, or even a pair of scissors.

The Second Amendment isn't to blame here (although I think it needs to be debated with vigor by open minds in Congress), but rather the U.S. mental health system and the current of anti-Asian xenophobia that seems to run through every Western nation.

[DavidI]

Originally posted by Tim Hancock
This freaken moron ALONE is solely at fault...... not law enforcement, his family, the university, gun laws, guns, friends (or lack thereof), teachers or anything or onyone else.

Why the news is attempting to assign blame to everyone just infuriates me. WTF is wrong with people these days? This 23 year old freaking lunatic decided to murder a bunch of people. There is nothing that society can do to prevent someone bent on going postal from doing so. This freak could have done this with a bomb, a knife, an axe, a car on the school sidewalks etc etc.

This trajedy is sickening enough without having to listen to all the effing finger pointing blame assigners.

RANT OVER

Tim, your post is absolutely correct in my opinion. This monster is solely responsible for his actions. I am sick of excuses.....David

[the]

Originally posted by tabs
If we don't stop and take a look in the mirror, we are doomed to repeat.

Mr Cho wasn't evil, wicked, a lunatic, moron nor any of the invectives hurled at him. To so label him as such is to be able to dismiss him, so that we don't have to deal with ourselves. Mr Cho in the end is a very sad indivdual, who was very lonely and alienated. He suffered all the slings and arrows (BS) that society had to throw at him, and instead of fighting back like most people he internalized them. Slowly it ate at him, unitl he could take it nolonger and in his own twisted way decide to fight back. There were people who tried to get Mr Cho to help, however for his own stuborn, inestimable reason he chose not accept these gestures. This is the truth about Mr Cho.

No, he was an evil, wicked, deranged psychopath.

That is the undeniable truth about him.

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by tabs
If we don't stop and take a look in the mirror, we are doomed to repeat.

Mr Cho wasn't evil, wicked, a lunatic, moron nor any of the invectives hurled at him. To so label him as such is to be able to dismiss him, so that we don't have to deal with ourselves. Mr Cho in the end is a very sad indivdual, who was very lonely and alienated. He suffered all the slings and arrows (BS) that society had to throw at him, and instead of fighting back like most people he internalized them. Slowly it ate at him, unitl he could take it nolonger and in his own twisted way decide to fight back. There were people who tried to get Mr Cho to help, however for his own stuborn, inestimable reason he chose not accept these gestures. This is the truth about Mr Cho.

Tabby, you gotta admit this...no matter how much of an "outsider" he considered himself, it doesn't justify mass murder, does it? I suspect that wayy back in high screwall, you and I were both "outsiders". You, the rich kid whose parents never made the time to try to understand or work with him. Me? The poor kid from the wrong side of the tracks whose parents didn't have the time to pay attention because they were too busy just trying to survive. Neither of us had the ability to make "jock" status. Only two people were seemingly happy in a high screwall back then...the quarterback and the lead cheerleader. The rest of us? We just suffered along in varying degrees of misery. So, you tell me...what kept us from bringing a gun to school? Common sense, methinks. Back then, national networks weren't willing to bestow us with fame if we went totally crazy. We just survived 4 years of bullying...and hopefully, moved on.

[the]

Neither of you were evil, wicked, deranged psychopaths.

[Tervuren]

Originally posted by rouxroux
And if he had NOT been able to buy pistols, he would have just found another way to kill....say, a car. So He walks into a car dealership, plonks down $1000 and then rolls through campus and mows people down. Would you then be equally angry and call for "CAR Control", or banning CARS? This is just another dose of trying to "socialize" America.

Gun control is a 4" group at 50'

I've thought of THIS very thing myself. Steal a Ferrari or Porsche, and mow people down on sidewalks, then kill yourself chrashing into a barrier at high speed.

Imagine all the potential back lash on sports cars, which really are NOT necessary in our modern society. Eventualy, the words could carry the same meaning to the press as "assault rifle" and "sniper". Those evil people with sports cars! Why would anyone even want to own one?

[red-beard]

Originally posted by rouxroux
And if he had NOT been able to buy pistols, he would have just found another way to kill....say, a car. So He walks into a car dealership, plonks down $1000 and then rolls through campus and mows people down. Would you then be equally angry and call for "CAR Control", or banning CARS? This is just another dose of trying to "socialize" America.

Gun control is a 4" group at 50'

How much does bleach and toilet bowl cleaner cost? Hmmmmmmm?

$500 would buy a lot of that. It might have been even more effective.

The guy was evil. He knew what he was doing. He planned it. He knew it was wrong. He did it anyway.

The only external "fault" I see is that the NICS system is supposed to have information on mental health as well as felony convictions. He should have been dis-qualified from buying guns.

[svandamme]

anybody who blows his own brain out,
at the age of 23, is not firing on all cyllinders

he was diagnosed mentally ill

now it think that's a far cry from beeing evil to the core


if he really was evil, he would have become a serial killer with intent to stay out in the wild, killing at leasure...for fun, robbing, torturing, raping...

he did no such things

truth is, he's a nutcase, not a criminal
i can imagine it's a problematic thing to admit to, considering the eye for an eye mentallity that does exist in the US... but it's still a fact that this kid, was several flews over the cookoo's nest...

[cashflyer]

Originally posted by Rick V
On the form required to purchase a firearm in Va. is a question about mental illness history.

VA may have it's own form in addition to the BATF form, but for those who have never seen one here is a sample of the BATF form that every firearm purchaser has to complete.


I owned a firearms business for 4 years, and I always thought the form was some sort of joke with no punchline. Look over the form and ask yourself, If I were a fugitive from justice, would I see this question and think 'ooops, I guess I better not buy this gun'? NO. You would lie. I mean, you ARE a fugitive from justice....

The only way for this to actually work is to be even MORE invasive into peoples privacy, step on a few more rights, and have all this info tied together into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

If you're wondering about the numbers in red, or want to see page two, follow this link: http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/