Evangelical Christians

[HardDrive]

Not as bad as the muslim nut jobs, but they certain have the same, "Lets stick our nose in everyones else's business" routine down. At least I don't have to live around them.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17741934/

Hey South Carolina, give Kansas a call. Your offically now in the hillbilly state club together. You guys should get together and watch Nascar truck racing.

[NICKG]

evangelicals and radical muslims are VERY similar imho.

[The Gaijin]

VERY similar? Please explain.

I see it as a huge plot to keep folks being priced out of the high tax Northeast and West Coast from moving down there.

[Tervuren]

I don't see the effectiveness of this if it does pass, if you've decided to kill your offspring, a picture isn't going to change anything.


The United States is going down - any civilization that made it acceptable to kill their own off spring did not last long after that. In the next thirty years or so it wouldn't surprise me if we didn't exist amongst the nations.

I have a friend who when he was born - his mom was 13. A Christian group had agreed to adopt him. When he was born, he had muscular dystrophy and was expected to die by age 8. A Christian couple took him as their son - he is now twenty four, walking, playing drums, keyboard, and sings.

I have a few other friends who where also adopted(by Christians), and I'd hate to be without them.

Then there are those that hold "church" above anything else, causing incredible pain and suffering. One case of a teenage girl got pregnant whose parents where "church" "leaders". What was really important to them was evidenced when they forced their daughter to have an abortion so as to not seem to the rest of the "church" as having had a bad kid. It tore her life up for a long time - she would lie in bed at night with the haunting dream of her baby in the attic starving to death.

When your religion becomes the most important thing in your life - you are dead spiritually. And the consequences to those around you can be terrible. People mistake religion for God - and religion becomes more important than loving God and people, who where made by God. A very sad state of affairs, and I apologize for the terrible things done in the name of "christianity".

[Dantilla]

Pretty good thoughts, Tervuren.

So caring about unborn babies is like violently killing those who disagree with you..... How?

I don't like the proposed law, but to use that to bash all Christians is disingenuous.

Edit: I just re-read the article. It doesn't even suggest that the bill's sponsors are Christians.

[john70t]

If men can force a woman to carry and give birth to an unwanted child, and then feed and raise it for another 18 years.........it's a small step backwards to get them to cover their faces in publc.

Yesterday a torn-up woman walked up to my car and said "I'm pregnant and I need a dollar for the bus". No further comment necessary on this one.

[Z-man]

Originally posted by NICKG
evangelicals and radical muslims are VERY similar imho.

Hmm - so I'm just ilke a radical muslim, eh?

Do you also think I'm a terrorist as well? Careful how you answer that - you don't want to get me all excited, seeing that I'm working on my newest car bomb, and any false move and KABOOM!

-Z

[kach22i]

My dad used to paper train a new puppy by pushing it's face down into the newspaper laid on the floor so it knew where the spot to go was. Once he moved the poo to the paper and pushed the dogs face into it.

This sounds so much like that.

How very Christian?

Maybe they won't make anymore unwanted babies?

[nota]

Originally posted by Z-man
Hmm - so I'm just ilke a radical muslim, eh?

Do you also think I'm a terrorist as well? Careful how you answer that - you don't want to get me all excited, seeing that I'm working on my newest car bomb, and any false move and KABOOM!

-Z

you personaly NO

BUT the same ideas the motivate the nuts in the moslem world to go terrorist are the same as the nut christians who bomb and shoot the doc's here

is every or even many religious people terrorests no
but the ideas behind the religions support terror
as does the cash the churches control
sure most goes to good projects
but who is minding the total cash flow
and the nuts get funded somehow


gods laws that the tali-ban used are very similar to the christians
they both support censorship
oppose gay and womans rights
and are very anti-sex [outside marriage]
try to change laws to support their fairytales
lack tolerance for others ideas

sure you guys quit burning witches and unbelievers resently
but if you get the total control you want
who is to say those things will not come back??

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Anyone who feels the need to define themselves through a particular dogma or cult is no better than someone that defines themself through sexual orientation, their job, their race, their gender or their nationality. In most cases, it's indicative of a "one-liner" type of person - someone who is inherently not very interesting, doesn't have much depth and doesn't really bring much to the table.

Keep your religious beliefs to yourself. Nobody cares.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by Dantilla
Edit: I just re-read the article. It doesn't even suggest that the bill's sponsors are Christians.

Exactly. I think some assumptions were made in labelling this the work of "evangilical Christians". I guess they are an easy enough target, so why not? It has become de rigeour for for liberals to label their opponents "evangilical" or "fundementalist" Christians, in the hopes of discrediting many of the points raised by that opposition. They very much want to paint any opposition as "nut jobs", and nothing says that better for them than "Christian". So now there is a "right wing evangilical fundementalist Christian nut-job" behind every bush (pun intended).

Face it; the left has some positions that are difficult to support even beyond "Christian" objections. Abortion leads the list. There are sound, irrefutable biological objections to abortion that they simply do not want women to hear or see. One of those is the very child growing within them. The more radical pro-abortionists would like nothing more to keep their myth alive; it's no more than a "zygot", a mass of cells - you are not killing a child. The ultrasound images blow that myth right out of the water for anyone that sees them. You cannot count fingers and toes, or determine sex, on a "mass of cells". They are afraid of the truth. They are afraid of "full disclosure" before a woman decides to end the life of another human living within her. They want it to remain some fuzzy, indistinct idea called a "zygot". It becomes ever so much more difficult to convince women to kill it when it becomes, to them, what it truly is - another human being. Far easier to not let them see it, and call those who would have her see it "nut jobs", assigning Christianity to them for emphasis.

[Z-man]

Originally posted by nota
you personaly NO

Shew -- glad to hear that. Here's an 'out-of-the-box' idea for you -- perhaps the majority of evangelical Christians are more like me, vs. your notion of what a believer is...

BUT the same ideas the motivate the nuts in the moslem world to go terrorist are the same as the nut christians who bomb and shoot the doc's here

Um no. BTW: no where in all my Christian education in school, church, or through my own studies did I ever come across the passage that said, "Thou shalt bomb abortion clinics." And honestly, when you consider the difference between bombed abortion clinics and terrorist activities of AlQueda et al, I think you will see that there is a HUGE difference in the magnitude.

What about Timothy McVeigh? I do not believe he was labelled a "Evangelical Christian." How many people did his act of terror kill? What was his background?

but the ideas behind the religions support terror

That is the biggest BS I have heard in a long, long time. Please supply evidence for this acusation. That has got to be the most skewed view of religion I have ever heard of. Nota - you are way off base with that statement.

gods laws that the tali-ban used are very similar to the christians
they both support censorship
oppose gay and womans rights
and are very anti-sex [outside marriage]

Hmm - Taliban and AlQueda state, "Kill your enemy."
The Bible states, "Love your enemy."
Further, what true Muslims believe is also completely opposite of what the fanatical fringe group Muslims (like AlQueda) believe.

Yeah, those are very similar concepts.

sure you guys quit burning witches and unbelievers resently
but if you get the total control you want
who is to say those things will not come back??

Right -- maybe we should start buring the Christians at the stake to make sure they NEVER regain control of the world....

Oh brother...
-Z-man.

[Z-man]

Originally posted by kach22i
My dad used to paper train a new puppy by pushing it's face down into the newspaper laid on the floor so it knew where the spot to go was. Once he moved the poo to the paper and pushed the dogs face into it.

This sounds so much like that.

How very Christian?

Maybe they won't make anymore unwanted babies?

I'll take a stab at this:

Often the problem with Christians regarding unwanted pregancies is that they are naive. "We won't go all the way -- God will help us resist that temptation." Yeah, right. When there's a naked woman next to you, God is furthest from your mind.

Similarly, Christians who believe pre-marital sex is wrong won't come to the party 'prepared.' In other words, if God is going to help them resist temptation, and pre-marital sex is wrong, why worry about protection?

If young Christians are honest with themselves, they would admit that if you get yourself into a situation where it is difficult to resist the temptation of sex, you better have some protection. But that is a very difficult concept to grasp for Christians.

-Z-man.

[NICKG]

Originally posted by The Gaijin
VERY similar? Please explain.

Well they BOTH are using religion to PUSH other around, both resort to violence (abortion clinic bombings?) don't they?

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Z-man
I'll take a stab at this:

Often the problem with Christians regarding unwanted pregancies is that they are naive. "We won't go all the way -- God will help us resist that temptation." Yeah, right. When there's a naked woman next to you, God is furthest from your mind.

Similarly, Christians who believe pre-marital sex is wrong won't come to the party 'prepared.' In other words, if God is going to help them resist temptation, and pre-marital sex is wrong, why worry about protection?

If young Christians are honest with themselves, they would admit that if you get yourself into a situation where it is difficult to resist the temptation of sex, you better have some protection. But that is a very difficult concept to grasp for Christians.

-Z-man.

I like the way you answered that Z-man.

I think allowing women to see what they are doing is different than making them.

I do see this as kind of the same way my dad did his heavy handed paper training method. It really is sticking ones face in one's own mess.

If there is a way to do this before all starts, that would be better. However as the numbers show us abstinence cannot be a substitute for education - back to the temptation you talked about.

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[NICKG]

Originally posted by Z-man
Hmm - so I'm just like a radical Muslim, eh?

Do you also think I'm a terrorist as well? Careful how you answer that - you don't want to get me all excited, seeing that I'm working on my newest car bomb, and any false move and KABOOM!

-Z

nah...your way worse. I just think that both groups are similar in their "evangelical" forms...or radical forms...We are choosing to ignore this i think.

The IRA had a penchant for doing car bombs, and that was a Catholic vs Protestant war. Last I checked they were Christian religions. Point here is that NO RELIGION is free from blood on their hands. I am actually more afraid of the "evangelicals" than I am about Muslims. Being religious is one thing, but being a religous nut job is another all together (and it does not matter which god you prey to, if your a nut job, your a nut job)

BTW, I am Presbyterian

[The Gaijin]

Originally posted by NICKG
Well they BOTH are using religion to PUSH other around, both resort to violence (abortion clinic bombings?) don't they?

Waging world-wide jihad including flying planes into buildings and some random nut-case are two separate things.

Talking about religion to PUSH others around - just wait to see what the environmentalist wackos (a religion in all but name) want to inflict on you. And yes, there are bombers in that group too. Does that make Al Gore like Bin Laden?

Scared of evangelicals? Man, you have been watching too much TV.

[NICKG]

Originally posted by The Gaijin
Waging world-wide jihad including flying planes into buildings and some random nut-case are two separate things.

Talking about religion to PUSH others around - just wait to see what the environmentalist wackos (a religion in all but name) want to inflict on you. And yes, there are bombers in that group too. Does that make Al Gore like Bin Laden?

Scared of evangelicals? Man, you have been watching too much TV.

ah, NO.
By far the most terrorist attacts(9/11 excluded) that have happened in america,were carried out by "christion evengelicals".

Abortion clinic bombings, the radio host murder etc.
I agree that Envionmental wackos are just as bad, further all these extremist groups are really domestic terrorists.

[Z-man]

Originally posted by NICKG
ah, NO.
By far the most terrorist attacts(9/11 excluded) that have happened in america,were carried out by "christion evengelicals".

Abortion clinic bombings, the radio host murder etc.
I agree that Envionmental wackos are just as ba, further all these extremist groups are really domestic terrorists.

Prior to 9/11, I believe the Oklahoma City bombing done by Tim McVeigh was the largest act of terrorism on US soil.

I do not condone abortion clinic bombings, but I do believe that many more men, women and children died in that one malicious act than all the abortion clinic fatalities combined.

And if you consider David Koresh's Branch Dividian's (definately NOT Evangelical Christians) as well as the Hail Bop comet mass suicides, along with other cults that prey on innocent individuals, you will see that there are other radicals in America that you should have far more fear of than Evangelical Christians.

And one more thing -- what about gang warfare and all the drug-related killings that go on in many urban settings? Lemme guess - I suppose they are the result of a Bible Study gone bad?!? :?:

I am not denying that many an evil act has been done in the name of Jesus in our country. But to say that Christians are by far the biggest "terrorists" in America -- I think you should look at the facts a bit more closely before coming up with an accusation like that... (And if you don't change your mind, I'll have to hunt you down and .... oh wait -- nevermind... )

-Z-man.

[The Gaijin]

Originally posted by NICKG
ah, NO.
By far the most terrorist attacts(9/11 excluded) that have happened in america,were carried out by "christion evengelicals".

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ah, I think you had better re-count.

FALN - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuerzas_Armadas_de_Liberaci%C3%B3n_Nacional_%28Pue rto_Rico%29

KKK -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkk

Weather Underground-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29

Black Panthers -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_panthers