Something I First Identified in College

[Tobra]

Originally posted by Superman

Snipped and edited to flow a little better at the end
Apparently, and in an unprecedented fashion, political appointees are showing up on boards that have historically been 100% filled with scientists. In other words, political appointees are substituting their judgement for that of professional scientists and researchers in the field.

Scientific data and conclusions are being suppressed and mis-stated deliberately. I guess I found out why there is such a vocal outcry about scientists' conclusions regarding global warming. It comes from two sources. First, the scientific community is being discredited in a wholesale fashion. We're dismissing them as "liberals." The other source is that this global warming thing has been impossible for the "administration" to summarily crush. Like it has done to many other important research findings that industry finds inconvenient.

The damage, as with many other forms of damage this "administration" has done to my country, will be long-lasting. Science, which has historically been regarded with respect and objectivity by political organizations, is being discredited in a wholesale manner. It will be some time, if we are ever able, to return to the use of scientific data with objectivity.

First of all, just because they are appointed by someone who is probably paying the bills, it does not mean they are unqualified. Sure, Michael Brown is a douchebag(can I say that here?), but that does not mean all of them are.

Who exactly is dismissing science in general again, missed the Newsweek on that one. Haven't heard about republican hooligans stealing all the Science magazines out of people's mailboxes either. Are they pulling funding for research they don't like that has shown particular promise(Go ahead and mention embryonic stem cell research, that has not shown as much promise as other forms of stem cells, so that would be a red herring)


I for one would like to hear the name of a scientist or two that has been persecuted in some fashion by the current administration, not summarily crushed, just hassled in some way, how would that be, hmmm...

[72doug2,2S]

Wayne........ +1

[Tim Hancock]

+2

[Moneyguy1]

Ah......but do "Conservative Christian Values" have a place in policy making under the Constitution?

And....are those values truly conservative and Christian?


(always the rabble rouser......)

[M.D. Holloway]

Wayne, can a politician drive social and personal values? Should a politician drive social change?

That would be marching goosestep down a very dangerous ally.

[Moneyguy1]

Lube...

My thoughts exactly......

[72doug2,2S]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Ah......but do "Conservative Christian Values" have a place in policy making under the Constitution?

(always the rabble rouser......)

It's a good question. While very few would want a religious sect pushed onto the people, NO ONE wants to see a leader abandon his convictions and moral code while making important decisions that effect the entire country. This is consistent with the kind of vision our founding fathers had of the new nation.

If you don't agree with that moral code and conviction, then don't vote for that individual. But please don't be surprised when that leader relies on those convictions and beliefs while doing his job. And don't expect a special accommodation against the majority view.

[GO DAWG GO]

Wayne_

I agree with your assesment of GW but what you stand for is the antithesis of Clinton...Why did you appreciate Clinton?

Clinton had no heavy fist...was a liberal, morally bankrupt and had no appreciable family values...

I have troubles with your statement...

[Moneyguy1]

Moral bankruptcy comes in far more flavors than getting "serviced". Many of our leaders have had trouble with individual moral judgement. The trick is to separate the convictions created by a specific religious belief and strictly "humane and/or constitutional" principles. When these overlap, there is a danger to the society of imposing these religious beliefs on the Country.

Interesting but there is one country over in the Balkan ststes about to unveil a bronze statue of Bill. Despite his pecadillos at home, the ROW thinks he was a pretty good guy.

[cool_chick]

I personally don't understand the fascination with some complete stranger's sex life. It's too prevalant in our society today....people glued to the TV set trying to find out all the "gossip" of others. Ugh.

[72doug2,2S]

Originally posted by cool_chick
I personally don't understand the fascination with some complete stranger's sex life. It's too prevalant in our society today....people glued to the TV set trying to find out all the "gossip" of others. Ugh.

What stranger?

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by 72doug2,2S
What stranger?

People on TV, people defined in "groups" that you don't even know exist, etc.....

[ckissick]

Originally posted by cool_chick
I personally don't understand the fascination with some complete stranger's sex life. It's too prevalant in our society today....people glued to the TV set trying to find out all the "gossip" of others. Ugh.

Then I guess you don't know why so many people cried when complete strangers like JFK and Princess Diana died.

The Dems have very bad aim. They always hit their own foot. By urging all Democrat Presidential candidates to boycott Fox if they sponsor a debate, and by pushing forward the so-called Fairness Doctrine, their feet are in grave danger.

[Dennis Kalma]

Originally posted by cool_chick
I personally don't understand the fascination with some complete stranger's sex life.

Personally I have to stretch my thinking to even get concerned about our leader's sex lives. Heaven knows, what they do with their spouses behind closed doors may include a trapeze and a Black & Decker screwgun, but that is their business.

I am not electing them for their personal habits, but rather their professional judgement and capabilities in the work place, government in the case of elected officials.

The offense, IMHO, about Bill Clinton is not that he did the deed with a few women, most presidents have, but rather that he did not come clean when challenged and just say "Yup, I did it, what's it to you lot?". The inability to be honest weighs heavier in my mind than any notion of sexual "purity".

Dennis

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by ckissick
Then I guess you don't know why so many people cried when complete strangers like JFK and Princess Diana died.

Well it's sad to see a person die. That doesn't explain the sicko fascination into their personal sex life, however....

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Dennis Kalma
Personally I have to stretch my thinking to even get concerned about our leader's sex lives. Heaven knows, what they do with their spouses behind closed doors may include a trapeze and a Black & Decker screwgun, but that is their business.

I am not electing them for their personal habits, but rather their professional judgement and capabilities in the work place, government in the case of elected officials.

Amen.

The offense, IMHO, about Bill Clinton is not that he did the deed with a few women, most presidents have, but rather that he did not come clean when challenged and just say "Yup, I did it, what's it to you lot?". The inability to be honest weighs heavier in my mind than any notion of sexual "purity".

Dennis

IMO, that's just an excuse for some in order to play the holier-than-thou partisan game (not directed to you). To be honest, if I were a cheater, and it was me, I'd lie too). Well, maybe not. I'd say HEY B#TCH, IT'S NONE OF YOUR F#CKING BUSINESS!! That's what he should've said. Not sure if he was literally required to answer the question under oath.....if so, I would probably lie too, if I were a cheater. That's what cheaters do, they lie to their wives. Something like 75% people cheat, and most likely they are lying about it. Doesn't mean they aren't good employees, dishonest employees, doesn't mean they're not honest in other aspects in their lives. If this were true, this would mean 75% of your staff "can't be trusted" at work.

[Dennis Kalma]

Originally posted by cool_chick
That's what cheaters do, they lie to their wives. Something like 75% people cheat, and most likely they are lying about it.

IMHO, the lying about it is the true adultery.

In Bill Clinton's case, his position required a few different rules than us normal folks and so I think he should have found a more delicate way to say "none of your business" and headed off a big political mess (maybe...there were some folks out to make Mt. Everest out of a molehill)

I separate the physical stuff from the honesty/committment stuff. I have told my wife every thing I have ever done (not that I have done THAT much), even though there were some awkward,painful moments. My belief is that the "awkward moment" is a far smaller pain than the divorce or living together in misery.

Face it, we are all people, we mess up, we get seduced, we get frustrated and seek release elsewhere....all sorts of stuff, but a bit of forgiveness and give and take is part of a long lasting relationship, whether in marriage or in the workplace.

Dennis

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by Dennis Kalma
[B]IMHO, the lying about it is the true adultery.

In Bill Clinton's case, his position required a few different rules than us normal folks and so I think he should have found a more delicate way to say "none of your business" and headed off a big political mess (maybe...there were some folks out to make Mt. Everest out of a molehill)

Most politicians do lie about these things when asked publically. Countless times, of both political parties. That's what they do....they are most likely trying to hide it from their wife (husband). To me, we should take this whole personal sex-life business out of politics altogether. How this pervaded our political climate of late is beyond me. It's gross. It pisses me off.

There was a politician here (a Republican) whose divorce papers were released to the media. I guess he was a swinger. His career is over because of this. I mean, WTF? I don't care who blows him! I care about the job he's hired to do. Why are Americans so shallow?

I separate the physical stuff from the honesty/committment stuff. I have told my wife every thing I have ever done (not that I have done THAT much), even though there were some awkward,painful moments. My belief is that the "awkward moment" is a far smaller pain than the divorce or living together in misery.

Face it, we are all people, we mess up, we get seduced, we get frustrated and seek release elsewhere....all sorts of stuff, but a bit of forgiveness and give and take is part of a long lasting relationship, whether in marriage or in the workplace.

Dennis

Well this is personal, and this a personal opinion. And on a personal level, we do not differ at all. Additionally, this stuff is between me and my partner, not my friends, not my family, not the strangers down the street, not some strangers in another town. Nunya. When something that belongs between the couple becomes part of the campaign or part of working to get someone fired from their political job is where I have a real issue.

[Dennis Kalma]

Cool-Chick....your chosen name suits you well....

Dennis

[legion]

Originally posted by cool_chick
There was a politician here (a Republican) whose divorce papers were released to the media. I guess he was a swinger. His career is over because of this. I mean, WTF? I don't care who blows him! I care about the job he's hired to do. Why are Americans so shallow?

Oddly enough, he was running against Barack Obama for the Senate and probably would have won had he not withdrawn from the race in shame. All I have to say is: Watch out Hillary! I think you've met your match in unyielding ambition.