Someone name me a documentary film w/o bias - preferably something that won't put me to sleep, but list it anyway.

Thanks,
Sherwood

MM loves himself, the attention he gets, and the money, period, end of story.

Pigs make a valuable contribution to the fertilizer market every time they crap as well. IMHO they are one step up the ladder than MM and his work is most of the time. The only thing worth a damm that he made is Canadian Bacon.

From what I understand, this movie has gotten kudos from both "sides." Wonder if once the "word" spreads amongst the "talking head" circuit, if opinions will miraculously change here. It would be better to actually see the movie before forming an opinion, but apparently that's not happening, and it's clear where they get their opinions from anyway......

Victory at Sea....

I love it. Too bad the mental picture is strangely close to the subject at hand.

Great series. Classic. Loved it. However, show it in Japan and see what they say about bias.

Next?

Sherwood

Is that part of the Victory in Iraq series?

[forgive this shameless troll]

We are not in Japan.

Stop playing bait and switch. You asked and I provided and now you are not happy with it? Tuff titties, your argument just went down in flames.

Sorry but I do not play games very well.

Now I know you are not that thick Joe.

The bias is in the way the story is told. In the context. In the perspective. In the package. In the spin. Whether we are in Japan or not is irrelevant.

Substitute "Victory at Sea" with "Sicko" and "Japan" with "The red states" and I think you'll get the picture.

Nothing will change as a result of his films. With specific regard to universal health care...who is going to pay for it? Sure if we cut the military we could cover it out of taxes(maybe) but no one is going to cut the military enough to do that. Do you think doctors will cut their costs? Pharma is already being villified and workers in that industry are paying the price. I expect this film to have as much impact as any other . Things in healthcare will not change until the profit motivation is significantly altered.

Oh yeah +1 on the poor not being denied healthcare. They don't get the top level care but they are not denied care. Go to an ER some time and see if your insurance gets you any preferential treatment.

And you are not Japanese. Doesn't your answer tell you there is a bias? If there was no bias, all audiences would have the same perception of Victory at Sea, and it wouldn't matter who viewed it.

No game, but perhaps narrower perspective.

The very first documentary film is credited to Nanook of the North, yet the director was later found to have staged some scenes to tell his story. That's bias. Did that negate the purpose of the film? Maybe, maybe not. Anytime a film maker cuts and edits film, he automatically distorts reality.

If you place any credence in Wikipedia:
"Documentary film is a broad category of visual expression that is based on the attempt, in one fashion or another, to "document" reality. Although "documentary film" originally referred to movies shot on film stock, it has subsequently expanded to include video and digital productions that can be either direct-to-video or made for a television series. Documentary, as it applies here, works to identify a "filmmaking practice, a cinematic tradition, and mode of audience reception" that is continually evolving and is without clear boundaries.[1]"

Regards,
Sherwood

Out of 190 countries ranked by the World Health Organization:

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems.
Source: WHO World Health Report -

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
..........

As far as infant mortality:
Among 33 industrialized nations, the United States is tied with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia with a death rate of nearly 5 per 1,000 babies, according to a new report. Latvia’s rate is 6 per 1,000."

"In the analysis of global infant mortality, Japan had the lowest newborn death rate, 1.8 per 1,000 and four countries tied for second place with 2 per 1,000 — the Czech Republic, Finland, Iceland and Norway."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12699453/

So 911pcar,, so you're going to get major proceedure done in Columbia or Costa Rica before you have it done in the states?? WTF ?? you don't actually believe what you just wrote do you??

So, when are you going to take your anti-American a$$ and go to one of those countries??? It is clear no one in your family was at Pearl Harbor in W.W.IIhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1183337616.jpg

Moore reminds me of that other guy who used to make documentaries on social injustice--forget his name. He did the one on the mental institutions. Frederick Wiseman. That was his name. Made some great films.

Moore does nothing more than expose questionable practices by large corporations and institutions. He has balls. He goes up to a CEO and sticks a mike in his face--asking him why he fired 30000 workers. He wants to know why the American health care system is the worst among industrialized countries--the only such country without universal health care. Our death rates exceed those other countries because of it.

Society needs people like Moore, to document social injustice and people abuse by big corporations--which does happen. I understand his new movie is a big hit: health care is a major concern of most Americans.

Racer,
My father was born in HI. He and his folks lived in Honolulu, Oahu, island site of Pearl Harbor. While my father came over here for college @ 18, Mom and Pops married around '41, but his father, mother, sisters and brothers and eventually about 200 aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews and cousins were from there as well. Are you from Hawaii too? Excellent. But what does this have to do with the topic? Isn't this a bit of a stretch from the Victory at Sea discussion?

Your "America, Love it or Leave it" philosophy is a mite arcane. It's as if America's ***** doesn't stink (i.e. can't improve). If you agree, maybe that's why we as a nation aren't doing so well compared with other countries. Maybe too complacent, Perhaps consuming too many toys and fast food, watching too much TV to worry about fellow Americans.

You're welcome to post more accurate statistics if my references are inaccurate.

Regards

OK, here's the story: there is no such thing as a "pure" documentary. There is no such thing as "photo realism." EVERY image has a POV. Period. It is inherent in the medium. Some POVs are subtle, others are obvious (to some), but it is there.

You give a 10 year old a camera, and he'll give you photos with a POV and bias.

The main difference between a documentary and a feature film is that documentaries tend to have less script and generally revolve around "capturing" "real" "events." All of those are in quotes, because they are all big fuzzy areas where the director's bias comes into play.

Trust me on this...I've produced and directed shorts/documentaries. I do digital media for a living, and work with plenty of old and new school media people. There is no such thing as unbiased media.

Victory at Sea was a prime example of biased media. Sicko is another. Both are "documenting" "real" "events". Both have a slant. Period.

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No, I don't.

I take it you don't get abroad much.

Yes, actually I do.... that's why I said that..
Do YOU actually believe that Columbia has a better health system than we do in the USA ?? Go ahead I can't wait to hear this....