I think I get it now. Jim, you think it was really Rove or Cheney that outed or directed the "outing" of Plame and Libby was covering for them. Is that right?

Oh, it's about Libby? Ok, he should have received a full pardon and gov't. reimbursement of his legal fees.

I'm glad there's accountability in your world, RL. :rolleyes:

Jim, I hear you and agree with what you are saying.

You can't argue with Neo cons. They try to weave a bunch of irrelevant information into there "case" Neo cons always believe they are right, blame "liberal media spin" or Clinton. They have a very interesting way of interperting the law and the truth.

The fact is the Libby was convicted and commuted by Bush to save there asses. Bush did not pardon Libby because if he did, Libby would not be covered under the 5th amendment and would be asked to explain what Bush and Cheney did.

Bush, or his lawyers, chose a simple solution to a very dirty problem.
Another stain on his bloody presidency.

I was hoping someone would bring that up. Good job, lyon! :)

Sorry but you are the one ducking and weaving. This thread was about justice until Rick brings up the correct info about Wilson and his lies.

Now you want to duck back and focus on Libby. Guess Wilson can lie all he wants and you could care less, but when Scooter lies once he is guilt as hell.

Which is it?

I don't know that Libby lied at all. His indictment was based on a faulty recollection of a long ago phone conversation with Tim Russert. Russert remembered it one way and Libby another. Russert has been wrong before and Libby probably has been too. Doesn't mean he was lying. Either way, it's not much to pin an indictment on, but I guess Fitzgerald was really looking for something after years and millions of $$ of not being able to establish a crime had been committed.

Joe, why didn't you start a Wilson lied thread? You started a "Scooter's prison term commuted!!!" thread? Oh, I understand...senior moment. ;)

RL, was Libby convicted? Did he win an appeal?

You guys would die for the B2 cadre. Funny thing, they're more than happy to let you. :p

Jim, is this a correct assumption?

So wrong. I hate Bush now more than probably anyone here. He's totally lost me. But Libby was wrongly indicted and convicted. It was a travesty of justice and I couldn't care less about how it makes Bush look or feel. This entire fiasco was started by Wilson and his overisized ego, wanting to be in the newspaper and the lead Bush basher. Now he's laughing all the way to the bank, skating for his real crime of lying to Congress and Libby is financially ruined and a convicted felon for giving a differing account of a phone call than Tim Russert gave when Richard Armitage was the real leaker. Is this justice to you because you hate Bush? I hate him too and this is a travesty.

It's really irrelevant to the discussion, IMO. Scooter lied, the jury found him guilty, the judge sentenced him wthin the guidelines, the appeals court didn't feel that Scooter was likely to win an appeal, and refused to let him stay out of prison while his appeal was being head, and B2 commuted his prison sentence. Beyond that, it's all the deflection that's typical of some here. :)

RL, justice is justice. Don't personalize it. I could care less if it was a Clinton minion, or one serving B1, Reagan, or Carter, or Nixon, or...

Do you get the point?

BTW, why ISN'T Wilson under indictment?

No, I don't get the point, because you certainly didn't post this much about Sandy Burglar or Web Hubbell or Henry Cisneros or the too many to count Clintonistas who committed real crimes. Maybe it's just because PPOT wasn't so big then, but it's probably because of selective outrage.

I didn't really discover the joys of PPOT untill the last year or two. Sorry, but I don't dredge up old threads to rant about.
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Besides, this thread is about LIBBY. Focus, man!

If you want to rail against any other characters who outrage you, start a thread. :)

What are you talking about?!? What did Bush or Cheney do? It was Armatige that talked to that reporter, not Bush, Cheney, Rove, Scooter, Harriet Miers or Oliver North. Scooter can't save anyone's ass. Nobody's ass needs saving.

And it's perfectly legal for Bush to commute Libby's sentence or pardon him outright. Hell, Bush could let Charles Manson go if he wants. A second term president can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants to - he's not up for re-election.

This is priceless. It generates reams of newsprint and uses up tons of bandwidth for all the haters out there, which suits me fine.

The left wanted so badly for someone (Rove, maybe Cheney) to pay for "ruining" that secret agent's career. What a joke. Now, no one's even in jail. Scoreboard.

Yep.

"And it's perfectly legal for Bush to commute Libby's sentence or pardon him outright. Hell, Bush could let Charles Manson go if he wants. A second term president can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants to - he's not up for re-election."

I know the socialist/libs don't like to see this but it is not new, just look at the hill and bill dog and pony show, he must have pardoned every friend he had that was still alive.

The fact is that Plame lied. Wilson first threw his wifes name into the mess in an interview with Judith Wilson as she pressed him for a quote. That is an on the record fact that even the press cannot bury. And what about this one?? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1183503725.jpg

Wow, and the hilderbeast couldn't remember law records or if she handled certain cases, and the left doesn't blink an eye.

Wow, when it was Scooter, he lied, but the left doesn't even blink again, no wonder you guys want to government to take care of you, you aren't capable of reasonable thought!!

nice that you are sinking to Clinton's level, actually lower, since you should know better given his disgusting pardons of Rich & Friends.

WTF is wrong with all of you people on the Right? Because Clinton is a sleaze, I can be a sleaze too?

Oh to aspire. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

30 months in prison is enough to make a guy pretty bitter.
Next thing you know he's writing books and giving interviews, showing up on Bill Maher.....we just can't have that now, can we?
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