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F1 Qualifying in England
Watching it on Tivo.
What is the deal with "declaring your race fuel" and "fuel credits"?
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Before Q3, each participant must declare their "race fuel load". Based on the number of laps they complete during the Q3 session, the FIA steward awards them a "credit" of approximately 2.5 kg per lap that is then added to the cars' tanks on race day. That's the load they start with.
Because of this, Raikonnen was able to do a "slow" lap (burning maybe a kilo of fuel since he finished his hot lap before the checkered flag in France last week. As such, his "race fuel load" was about 1.5-2 kg higher than everyone else expected it to be, and he was able to go about 3 laps deeper than anyone expected him to.
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Raikonnen should have taken pole if not for the "offroading" in the last turn. Should be a good race this week.
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Ferrari was very fast in Friday practice, but maybe McLaren wasn't showing what they had. Toyota though has gotten their act together. However odds are that Ralf crashes in the first lap and Jarno breaks by halfway through the race...
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KR and FA were really quick Sat in Q2 - fastest overall lap was set in that session (FA, I think) and they swapped fastest sector times. LH probably had the lightest car in Q3 of the top six. If FA and KR have more fuel then LH will have to work very hard to pull a big enough gap before he pits. Fuel strategy probably favors KR and FA on Sunday.
On the other hand, maybe it'll rain and passing will take place on the track rather than in the pits! It could happen!
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Guess who is heading to London tonight? Guess what the weather is there?
If you said me and rain it would be spot on. Hope it stays clear for the race. Have had enough rain for a while but considering that I head home on Tuesday to the "oven called Phoenix in summer" cannot complain. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Today Partly Cloudy Partly Cloudy High 71° F Precip: 10% Partly cloudy. High 71F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph. Tonight Showers Late Showers Late Low 54° F Precip: 40% Partly cloudy skies this evening. Increasing clouds with periods of showers late. Low 54F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40%. Tomorrow Rain / Thunder Rain / Thunder High 66° F Precip: 70% A steady light rain early. Showers with perhaps a rumble of thunder developing in the afternoon. High 66F. Winds W at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70%.
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Kimi didn't seemed disturbed at all about P2, so maybe he has a little left or has a heavy fuel load like Scott said. (same with Alonso) He made the off and Louis ran a perfect lap....but can Louis run perfect laps in the race and in the rain? We'll see if the kid can do it in the rain. (you better br right about the rain Joe
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Hmmmmm..
Interesting stuff right now... Shaking itself out after the first pitstops...very good racing.... |
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So far just a bunch of puffy clouds, and no rain.
Interesting the "gotcha" that Hamilton did with the clutch in the first pit stop. Hope that did not cost him the race...
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HO hum....
Second stops all over...some straight racing to do..... |
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And Hamilton keeps racking up the podium's and the points....
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One has to wonder what would have happened to Louis if Massa had not stalled on the grid. Would Louis have seen the podium? Kimi and Alonso were faster than Louis today. The Ferraris are back, and now Louis' shine may not be so bright. He's a good driver, but his phenom status may not roll of the tongue of commentators so easily. All the while Kubica has gotten less press than he deserves.
It's been a good season. I was off my seat during Kimi's pit stops yelling at the screen. Too bad it's all so pit and fuel strategy, with a lesser driver talent factor. It's still all fun to watch. |
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I think that Kimi's skill in the three laps before he did his second pit-stop was the crucial factor...he made enough time there to leap frog Alonso... Sure the time to apply that skill was choreographed and dependent on fuel stops..but it still came down to the man behind the wheel. |
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Kimi was awesome, Massa was absolutely brilliant. Who says you can't pass in F1?
If Massa hadn't started from the pit hamilton would not have made it to the podium and Kimi would have finished 2nd. |
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I thought it was a very exciting race. And yes, Kimi really turned up the heat for those few laps to get the leap over FA.
Massa was a man on fire, I would have been happier if he could have passed Kubica in the last 12 laps, he had the pace to catch him just could not get around him. Good to see the Red cars up to pace again.
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![]() Kimi was absolutely brilliant in the laps prior to his last pit stop and it sealed his win. I'm not taking anything away from the drivers (he's actually the guy I want to get the crown!)...I just wish the race outcome wasn't so heavily weighted on pit strategy...but that's asking a bit much given what F1 (technology and strategy) has evolved into. I still love it...I just wish there was more actual wheel to wheel racing. |
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Very intense - interesting and exciting racing! Silverstone is a mindblower course with these guys darting from one side to the other at plus 140 mph! KR really put on a show - boy, he's got quick hands. The in-car shots of him holding onto LH when the Ferrari's nose would wash out going through the esses - just amazing. Just the exact amount of correction - no more no less and no lifting!
I thought FA had it when he short fueled but KR / Ferrari was too much - maybe they were pissed about all the "secret" info from Stepneygate! He and Massa really had it turned on today. The red cars really looked solid and fast. The Mac's looked solid but never as quick as the Ferrari. Too bad about Speed - he got caught out trying to be the good guy and got whacked by Wurz (isn't that an old Berlin punk tune?) - hope he gets a ride next year - he's just now coming into his own - he'd really be smooth and improved if the testing rules hadn't been changed. The season's heating up for sure - just need a Ferrari 1, 2 a LH dnf and BMW's first win to really shake things up! Fun season.
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I watched it on and off today.
I was watching, Hamilton was in the lead, then I had to do a few things and it seemed like only a few minutes had passed (10 or so?) and suddenly he was way back in third, far off the lead. What happened? |
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Interesting race..
Lewis was beaten by his own mistake during the firs tptistop and his own choice of rear end set-up...(quote in this morning's paper) So he fluffed (!) the first pit stop and went his own way on the rear end, rather than use Alonso's set up...wonder if he' ll do that again... After all winning 2 consequtive WCs against Ferrari and MS does mean you know a thing or two....perhaps a tad more than LH. Souk, The pitstops bring the team effort far more into play...much more chance of a team cock-up as well as a driver issue...I think that's good...certainly the overall pressure during the race is increased. I recall the days of no stops at all when the first half was a 'slow' procession, waiting until fuel loads reduced and conserving the tyres so the last third was a real race...much more focus on the driver's skills and very little on the team... Better or different? Don't know. What is clear is that the current regs mean aero grip is far too dominant and overtaking is made very difficult between two similarly matched cars...(so Massa overtaking everyone is not a good gauge of this)... seeing Kimi trying to get past Lewis at the end of the first stint is... A return to slicks, preferably around 18inches worth, with reductions in aero (and hence $$$$$$) would be nice and it would make overtaking 'easier'...ho hum. |
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