History Channel 9/11 special

[kach22i]

I only caught part of the show which did it's best to debunk 9/11 conspiracy fans.

I'm not a big 9/11-conspiracy fan; I do have unanswered questions and have been frustrated by the lack of public knowledge about the events surrounding that tragedy.

Why did Cheney order almost all our fighter's to the Arctic Circle to fight off a mock Soviet attack that day? The Soviet Union does not even exist! The many false NORAD radar blimps were not taken off the screens until............I still don't know when.

To put it nicely they could of had better people on it and covered the facts. I saw some things on that show that told me just to keep channel surfing.

It looks like a certain crowd has got it's dander all up over the History channel's program. Lots of Internet flurry found here:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/

Enjoy the show.

Note: My opinion; extraordinary incompetence by the Bush administration............of course we have seen lots of that the past six and a half years haven't we?

[cairns]

I didn't see the show so can't comment but that site is full of whackjobs and opportunists. I tried hitting on the 9/11 law section and got an ad posted by an ambulance chaser.

These people believe that Gort made the Earth stand still and that he was put here by the NSA.

[Rick Lee]

Cheney ordered almost all our fighters to the Arctic Circle? Haven't heard that one before. I didn't know the VP had that authority. Even so, we had fighters in the air to intercept the hijacked planes. It's just that the air traffic controllers or FAA didn't get around to making the call soon enough. And pre-9/11 how many fighters did we usually have ready and with ordnance already loaded for domestic CAP's? Probably none.

[GO DAWG GO]

"Note: My opinion; extraordinary incompetence by the Bush administration............of course we have seen lots of that the past six and a half years haven't we?"

Don't stop there..What about the 8 previous years of a foreign policy midget...And probably 8 more of the same ilk selling us out some more.

Kacch22I I liked you til you said that...You should have said the last 3 administrations have been flat on there ass.

I just haven't figured how to fight a war on terrorism and leave your borders open for a full scale invasion and not care. Hes a fraud.....There all frauds!!!

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Cheney ordered almost all our fighters to the Arctic Circle? Haven't heard that one before. I didn't know the VP had that authority. Even so, we had fighters in the air to intercept the hijacked planes. It's just that the air traffic controllers or FAA didn't get around to making the call soon enough. And pre-9/11 how many fighters did we usually have ready and with ordnance already loaded for domestic CAP's? Probably none.

You might call this a crack-pot website, most of the information on this topic has drifted away over time on other more legitimate sites. Weight it as you will, but I can't or don't want to believe that you have not heard about the NORAD exercise and the changes Rumsfeld made which bottle necked everything. Like I said, par for the course for those guys, it's been all about the power and the money they have made for their friends in my opinion.

This is one answer if I choose to accept it:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050830185334880

Mies remained with the civilians until after they all heard that the second WTC Tower had also been hit. (The second crash occurred at 9:03 am.) Based on the new timeline entries, it is apparently only then that Mies went to his command post, and that Global Guardian and related wargames were suspended.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050830185334880

Rumsfeld's case is particularly flagrant, given that he had signed off on a June 1, 2001 Pentagon order that for the first time inserted the Secretary of Defense into the chain of response for issuing military intercept orders for errant planes. His story is that he reacted to news of the first and second WTC crashes by continuing his routine morning briefings, and that after the Pentagon was hit (at 9:37 or 9:41 am, depending on which official timeline one prefers), he decided to assist in rescue efforts instead of taking his place at the command center.

Information such as the above was left out of the History Channel special, like I said it was a not very special special.

If I recall correctly - and it's still debated, there were 6 to 10 military exercises going on that day. I can't fairly fault the military or our cilvilan leaders for training and preparing for the worst can I?

Maybe I can.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by robert_snyder

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Kacch22I I liked you til you said that...You should have said the last 3 administrations have been flat on there ass.

Would I also be obligated to include Ronald Reagan for training and arming Al Queda and Saddam?

If the counrty is a moving car and you as president take the wheel at speed and have to decide if you are on the right track or road right away...............do you keep blaming the four drivers before you? Well, a little.........but do you really want me to look at the wonderous first nine months of the bush administration in detail?

[cairns]

Well Rick you leave near me so you know... we had fighters running patrol around DC for weeks. Never heard anything about Cheney sending fighters to the Arctic though. That sounds like BS; he can't do it on a whim and why would he? NORAD would have met any threat from up there and were there one they would have scrambled the fighters according to procedure- it would not take a Presidential or Vice Presidential order.

I lost three workmates (one was a friend) in the Pentagon explosion. Other workmates were at the other end of the building and heard nothing. I would have been there but had changed jobs two weeks prior. My cousin would have been on the Pentagon plane but took an earlier flight- spent a few days in Kansas. My wife also lost a friend on the Pentagon plane.

I have no doubt a plane hit that building. Too many people I know and trust actually saw it.

[cairns]

Jezuz Kach you beleive that stuff? I know you are smarter than that.

I don't doubt that not everyone correctly that day. But I'm sure our military and civilian leaders did the best they could- and some of what they did was truly extraordinary. This was a wholly unprecedented event- and I don't believe either the Bush or the Clinton administrations (esp. the latter) took what little intelligence they had seriously enough. But hindsight is 20/20.

And if this is just another excuse to vilify Bush I'm outta here. They acted incredibly quickly in getting those planes down and probably saved other lives in the process.

When the first plane hit I thought what's everyone getting so upset about- and went back to my work. Little did I know how much the world had just changed.

[Rick Lee]

The current CAP's are from Andrews. I think on 9/11 they were from Langley, which is considerably farther south. IIRC, there were fighters closer to the action, but none had ordnance. Before this stuff, I don't think fighter jets inside the US regularly had ordnance on them or even always nearby.

[azasadny]

I've found that any TV show that starts off by asking questions always ends the show by asking the same questions, followed by the phrase "perhaps we'll never know..."...

[kach22i]

Well, I tried to find a source such as the Constitution, which would clearly define the Vice Presidential responsibilities. Even though NORAD and the like were not around way back then. I could find very little, much of the power shifts are buried in laws, military operating procedures or worse Executive Orders of various administrations.

Somehow I think the question of how many aircraft we had on exercise that day (including at the Arctic Circle), and how many of the exercises were just electronic will be a mystery. The role of the secret service to coordinate will even more veiled for security one must assume.

I did read on one of the sites that Russia did have some planes fooling around at the Arctic Circle that day to make things more exciting I suppose. Can't have hundreds of US fighters moving about with out drawing some curiosity, right?

I did find this, again weigh as you will:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

Dick Cheney was placed directly in charge of managing the seamless integration of all training exercises throughout the entire federal government and all military agencies. On 9/11 Cheney oversaw multiple war games and terror drills, including several exercises of NORAD, the Air Force agency whose mandate is to "watch the sky."

The fine line between "ordering", "signing off" and "managing" can be debated - I can't find the documentation to make my own determination, and that is frustrating. And it's frustrating that the mass media has not covered this topic very well.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by kach22i

I did read on one of the sites that Russia did have some planes fooling around at the Arctic Circle that day to make things more exciting I suppose. Can't have hundreds of US fighters moving about with out drawing some curiosity, right?

The fine line between "ordering", "signing off" and "managing" can be debated - I can't find the documentation to make my own determination, and that is frustrating. And it's frustrating that the mass media has not covered this topic very well.

I almost hate to wade into this discussion. Even though the USSR has crumbled, Russia still screws with us on a regular basis. We do the same to them. We have planes sitting in Alaska that do nothing but play with Russian planes. It's so routine and has been going on for so long, I rather doubt the details ever make it back to Washington.

It has nothing to do with 9/11.

JR

[scottmandue]

I haven't seen their 9/11 "special" but,

It has been my experience that the history channel has some interesting programing.

However they sometimes have gaping factual errors when reporting history... rather ironic.

I also have mixed emotions about 9/11 "specials", I have nothing bad to say about people who do watch them but I can't bring myself to do it.

[Rearden]

prisonplanet
911truth
fromthewilderness

you must be bummed that the 'Weekly World News' has printed its last issue

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I watched that documentary the other night. It said that on any given day back then, the military only had a handful (I'm nearly certain it was less than a dozen) armed and ready fighters on standby at any one time.

Seems like a 'Cheney sends NORAD planes to the Arctic before 9/11' would be a story the NYT would be interested in.

[URY914]

So someone is trying to imply Chaney had prior knowledge of the airliners and set our planes to the Arctic Circle.

Sure. Right. I get it.

[Rick Lee]

Hey, for an admin. that can't shoot straight, they sure are good at keeping secrets between hundreds or thousands of accomplices and managing the most complicated plots in history.

[URY914]

Didn't we just have a 9-11 thread last week or so that went on for days and 100+ posts?

[berettafan]

i did not watch it. honestly i was dissappointed in my favorite channel for stooping so low as to generate income from such a horrible tragedy. people doing that are, IMO, no better than the sleazbags that ran the 2am commercials selling coins with flip up twin towers and so forth. i have no problem with documentary coverage. relish it even as it's a chance to look back on events and study them more carefully. but sensationalistic nonsense such as this is right there with jerry springer in my book.

to me the show is a sign that the big 'H' is going the way of all programming and dumbing itself down for the general public to increase viewership.

[john70t]

Don't forget than when Building 7 saw the other two fall, it just up and fainted itself.

It took 6.5 seconds to fall, the speed of gravity basically, when no other steel-framed building in history has ever collapsed from fire.
http://www.wtc7.net/background.html

[URY914]

Originally Posted by john70t

....no other steel-framed building in history has ever collapsed from fire.
http://www.wtc7.net/background.html

What are you basing that statement on? Fire is hot. Fire heats steel. Steel fails and collapses. Why do you think I have to spray fire proof material on the steel building I build?