Mormons admit 9/11 involvment, issue apology
 

Where's Mule?

Nuke the multi-wife, child molesting, SOB's!

Oh...wait...what year? Never mind.

"Sept. 11, 1857" .. . .you do like making misleading titles (as expected).

you, or tech, could fool us all by making a post w/an accurate title some day. ;)

C'mon, you'd be violent too if you had 8 wives nagging you.;)

In one night you could hear "no" 8 times. think of the consequences!

But think of the nights they all say yes! :)

a good reason to vote for Romney.

I do find that 'Big Love' show on HBO amusing! Poor fellow.

Some religions just make you CRAZY!

That's where number nine comes in to play, and so on...

Horrible as it may be, I think the statute of limitations may have run out on that one. If not I say we prosecute.

They got the native Americans (Indians) to help do the killing it looks like.

Arkansas immigrants ?

Is this code for something?

This is ugly:
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/18524/mountain-meadows-massacre-3
More here:
http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b12f9d18fae655bb69095bd3e44916a0/?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCR D&locale=0&sourceId=1c234dc029133110VgnVCM10000017 6f620a____&locale=0

And here:
http://urbansemiotic.com/2007/08/02/the-mark-of-cain-and-the-mountain-meadows-massacre/
Mark Twain wrote about the killings in his novel — Roughing It — saying, “The whole United States rang with its horrors:”

Not to take anything away from the horrific injustice of the massacre, but about the polygamy, stereotypes are usually pretty funny. Mormons have lots of wives - funny stuff.

I've been dealing with this stereotype my whole life and am not offended by it at all. You have to be able to laugh at yourself and your culture. And you gotta admit, having a bunch of wives seems crazy in this day and age. The jokes practically write themselves. Also, there wasn't a limit on how many wives a man could have. I believe Brigham Young had more than 20.

The other stereotype is that Mormons have lots of kids, we don't drink or smoke or have much fun. It's all true (except for the not having much fun part) and we laugh at ourselves.

But the truth about the polygamy is that only about 5% of the male members (funny pun) were "called" to have lots of wives. It was like being called to be the bishop or elders quorum president or Sunday School teacher. It's not like you could just join the church and then say "hey, where do I pick up my wives?"

So many Mormons were themselves massacred in New York and Missouri and elsewhere that there literally weren't enough men to go around at the time. But it wasn't as if every man could just start marrying whoever he took a fancy to. A lot of those marriages were arranged.

I get a kick out of the polygamy jokes, because it seems so crazy nowadays. I mean one wife is almost too much.

And they all would be PMS'ing at the same time of the month... how frigging wonderful!

I am fairly thick-skinned, and was going to just blow this one off, but...

I am a member of the LDS Church ( or Mormons). The Mountain Meadows Massacre was a terrible tragedy and good representation of when things go very wrong. To put things in perspective, those people (the Mormon pioneers) had been through many years of horrible persecution, including an extermination order signed into law by Governor Boggs in Missouri. Also, google Haun's Mill. MY LAST STATEMENT IN NO WAY IS MEANT TO JUSTIFY THE HORRIBLE TRAGEDY AT MOUNTAIN MEADOWS. The church also recognizes it for what it is. Who would want to talk about it that much. It is an ugly stain, but was caused by a group of local individuals who made a lot of VERY bad decisions.

That said, I am offended by your title for the thread. It is distasteful in my opinion, Mormon or not, to make an improper suggestive play on words like that, especially at this time of year. I have served this country in the Submarine Force of the US Navy. My family has had military personnel clear back to Washington's army.

I do not wish to make a big deal out of a joke. I just ask that maybe you can change the title of this thread to reflect what you are actually talking about.

Thank you,
Shane Van Wey

Shane, did you read Craig's post? Just curious.........

I've always wanted to do a:

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so you stay in the garage 3 or 4 days out of 28-31. worse would be to have them pms'ing at DIFFERENT times!

Jon Krakauer wrote about all this stuff in Under the Banner of Heaven. It was a fascinating read and I plan to pick up some of the books he recommended in his own book for further reading on the subject. I went to Colorado City, AZ in May. That's the inspiration for Juniper Creek and the Compound on Big Love. Hard to believe that such a place exists in the US. And I'd be willing to bet Warren Jeffs gets acquitted before long.

I went on a vacation in Mexico with my wife, we were to meet three of her friends and their husbands. I had never met the husbands.
All the other husbands chickened out, I was there for a week with four women. There was never a plan made that was stuck to, never on time, always talking about it but never doing it.
I now believe if the Mormons can live with more than one woman, they must have the right God.

BeyGon, the difference with FLDS polygamists is that the women do exactly as they are told and are brought up to not think for themselves or ever question the prophet. When he tells a 14 yr. old girl she will marry her 50 yr. old great uncle, she does it.

Lighten up Shane. I imagine most of us thought "what the H***?" when we saw the title, but then found it amusing when we saw the real story.
It's curious only that the dates coincide and you are certainly not the only veteran on this board, so please, be calm.

Now when it is touted on the evening news, Time and in Newsweek, you can be assured they will be trying to tie it all back to Romney's ancestors! :D

Plenty of modern day Mormon politicians can trace their roots back to those days. Orrin Hatch, Mike Leavitt and plenty of others. Remember, the Mormons have the macdaddy of geneology libraries and it's the only major religion in the world that was invented after the printing press. They are a very well documented bunch.

Ha, that was calm...:p

You flatter me as to being a veteran. I certainly do not consider myself as such. I just ask a lot of questions....:D

OK, that said, I still think the whole setup was in bad taste, but that is only MY opinion. Listen, if someone told you that all the terrorist attack on 9?11 was now being attributed to anyone that lived in SW Missouri, it would probably rub you just a bit too. Or, maybe that is was some other religious group. I don't think any US citizen would like his race, religion, or whatever being compared to a group of Islamic militant terrorists that attacked our country.

One thing I have learned here is people are definitely not afraid to share their opinions. Now then, I am not mad or holding any kind of grudge. I do not think any less of anyone for their opinions necessarily. I told someone else privately, that everyone has their "line in the sand"... that happened to be mine and I thought it appropriate to speak my piece on it. Piece was spoken, now let's gets along... No blood, no foul... right?:D

No blood, no foul... right?
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Correct. I was just trying to point out that some on this board like to "press others' buttons" and usually it just for a laugh, as I assume it was here.

Edit: served in the Navy but not a veteran, explain that please?

If someone is going back through their family tree, the Mormons have the best records in the world in this area. My Father traced our family back to 1507 by using their records, so its very good.

Oh man, I guess I needed to pay more attention to that.:rolleyes: I thought you meant a verteran on the board. Now I feel sheepish...:D

We went to the geneology library in SLC when I was a kid, went to the Beehive House and my parents dragged, and I mean DRAGGED me to a service in the Tabernacle. They told me if I didn't sit through it and behave, we wouldn't stop to see Billy the Kid's grave in NM on the way back home to TX. That kept me well behaved too.

So what is the scoop on donating money to the LDS church? Do you have to in order to be in seen in a good light or to remain a member? Just wondering!

I'm always happy to answer legit questions.

"donating money" is called paying tithing. It is a commandment of God. It is in the Bible and the Book of Mormon. I have received countless blessings over ther years that I have applied the principle and promise if this law (law dictated by God). The church is wealthy ienough to stand on it's own if it had to. I believe that the specific financial blessings in my life are from obedience to this ordinance of the Gospel. This is not to say that if you just pay tithing, God gives you money... He gives you opportunities to provide for yourself. In other words, I pray earnestly as if everything depends upon God... then I work as though everything depends upon me. This philosophy has not let me down yet.

For the record, I thought I should mention that I did not grow up LDS or Mormon. In fact, I really did not go to any church growing up. My mom had a belief in God and Christ, and perhaps my Dad did to. They taught me to cherish and honor truth when it was before me. They taught me to stand up for what I believed in. They taught me that hard work and treating others respectfully would get me farther in life than other plans. So when the Gospel of Jesus Christ was presented to me through some interesting twists and turns in my life, I recognized the truth in what was before me, and then latched onto it.

Sorry to get "churchy" on you, but you did ask. I make it a point to not force my religion upon others, but try to live an exemplary life that would cause others to ask what is different. And as I said before, if others ask sincere questions, I am always more than happy to try to answer them.SmileWavy

To expand on things a bit, paying your share to the church is seen as a mandatory thing with the LDS. You have a card that shows if you are a member "in good standing" (in other words, have paid your share) that is needed to get into the church. No tickee, no laundry and if you are not paid up you do not get inside. They ask to see your pay slip or income tax form and you have to pay the required percentage of your dues. There will not be any wiggling out of paying part of your dues if you are going to be a paid up member.

BTW, if you are not a Mormon, you aint getting inside the church for love nor money. When they build a new church they open it up for a tour for everyone the first day or two when everyone can come for a visit. After that its closed forever and no one who is not a LDS member will ever get inside. Wedding, funeral, it does not matter, you are not getting inside for any reason if you are not LDS.

Used to date a Mormon woman and learned a lot about the religion. Some good and some interesting... and some difficult. If you are in need, and I mean really in need due to losing your job, illness or the like, the church will take care of you to a descent standard. When you are well you are expected to get back to work, this is not charity. Agree totally with this stance and wish more of society would take this stance.

Its an interesting religion and while I do not agree with parts of it, there are other parts that I really respect. If I did not really enjoy my glass of wine with dinner and cigar every week or three, they might have me as a member.

Joe, just a couple of clarifications. The card you're talking about is a temple recommend. And you need that to get into the temple to perform ordinances. Everyone can come to church and are welcome, regardless of whether they pay tithing or not.

It's getting into the temple where you have to be a full-tithe payer in order to enter.

My own mother-in-law wasn't able to attend my wedding when I was married in the temple as she wasn't a member (and she's evil anyway, but that's another story). We had another ceremony outside the temple for everyone else.

Craig,

Thanks and wonder if we had the same Mother In Law? :)

Don't worry Shane, even if Mormons are on the radar for 9/11, GW will probably attack somewhere in Montana :)

No statute of limitation on murder

Then dig 'em up & lock 'em up. I'm tough on crime.

Wasn't Lee made the scapegoat for Mountain Meadow and executed years later?

Is that like 'luxury suites" in the NFL? I thought the Catholics were mercenary.

Joe,

Oh my... you unfortanately are a little discombobbled, but that is OK. Unfortunately I do not have time right noe to straighten you out! Ha! Seriously, I need to get going, and basically, Craig made the main point of clarfication. Just needs a bit more explanantion, but can't do it now.

It was funny though... Now where did I hide my tax returns...?

Sorry but stand by my post. My lady friend was asked to see her pay slips to insure that she was paying the correct amount. It may be different in Tenn but not out here...

Laugh all you want...

Would any Mormons on this board not vote for Romney?