Mormons admit 9/11 involvment, issue apology

[widebody911]

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695209108,00.html

[Mo_Gearhead]

Where's Mule?

Nuke the multi-wife, child molesting, SOB's!

Oh...wait...what year? Never mind.

[island911]

"Sept. 11, 1857" .. . .you do like making misleading titles (as expected).

you, or tech, could fool us all by making a post w/an accurate title some day.

[onewhippedpuppy]

C'mon, you'd be violent too if you had 8 wives nagging you.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

C'mon, you'd be violent too if you had 8 wives nagging you.

In one night you could hear "no" 8 times. think of the consequences!

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

In one night you could hear "no" 8 times. think of the consequences!

But think of the nights they all say yes!

[Shaun @ Tru6]

a good reason to vote for Romney.

[Mo_Gearhead]

I do find that 'Big Love' show on HBO amusing! Poor fellow.

Some religions just make you CRAZY!

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

In one night you could hear "no" 8 times. think of the consequences!

That's where number nine comes in to play, and so on...

[Mule]

Horrible as it may be, I think the statute of limitations may have run out on that one. If not I say we prosecute.

[kach22i]

"A separate expression of regret is owed the Paiute people who have unjustly borne for too long the principal blame for what occurred during the massacre," he said. "Although the extent of their involvement is disputed, it is believed they would not have participated without the direction and stimulus provided by local church leaders and members."

They got the native Americans (Indians) to help do the killing it looks like.

The statement also places blame for the Sept. 11, 1857, massacre on the local church leaders at the time and church members who followed their orders to murder some 120 unarmed men, women and children......................Seventeen children survived the massacre that culminated a four-day standoff between local Mormons and a train of Arkansas immigrants making their way to California.

Arkansas immigrants ?

Is this code for something?

This is ugly:
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/18524/mountain-meadows-massacre-3

They camped first near Salt Lake City and then headed south to the meadow, a well-known stopover on the old Spanish Trail. The immigrants were attacked and spent a week engaged in gun skirmishes before local Mormon Elder John D. Lee rode in on horseback with a white flag to negotiate their rescue.

Persuaded to walk single-file and unarmed from the valley, the immigrants were shot at close range, stabbed or beaten to death. Their bodies were not buried.

More here:
http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b12f9d18fae655bb69095bd3e44916a0/?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCR D&locale=0&sourceId=1c234dc029133110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&locale=0

And here:
http://urbansemiotic.com/2007/08/02/the-mark-of-cain-and-the-mountain-meadows-massacre/
Mark Twain wrote about the killings in his novel — Roughing It — saying, “The whole United States rang with its horrors:”

A large party of Mormons, painted and tricked out as Indians, overtook the train of emigrent wagons some three hundred miles south of Salt Lake City, and made an attack. But the emigrants threw up earthworks, made fortresses of their wagons, and defended themselves gallantly and successfully for five days! Your Missouri or Arkansas gentleman is not much afraid of the sort of scurvy apologies for “Indians” which the southern part of Utah affords. He would stand up and fight five hundred of them. At the end of the five days the Mormons tried military strategy. They retired to the upper end of the ‘Meadows,’ resumed civilized apparel, washed off their paint, and then, heavily armed, drove down in wagons to the beleagured emigrants, bearing a flag of truce! When the emigrants saw white men coming they threw down their guns and welcomed them with cheer after cheer….

[cmccuist]

Not to take anything away from the horrific injustice of the massacre, but about the polygamy, stereotypes are usually pretty funny. Mormons have lots of wives - funny stuff.

I've been dealing with this stereotype my whole life and am not offended by it at all. You have to be able to laugh at yourself and your culture. And you gotta admit, having a bunch of wives seems crazy in this day and age. The jokes practically write themselves. Also, there wasn't a limit on how many wives a man could have. I believe Brigham Young had more than 20.

The other stereotype is that Mormons have lots of kids, we don't drink or smoke or have much fun. It's all true (except for the not having much fun part) and we laugh at ourselves.

But the truth about the polygamy is that only about 5% of the male members (funny pun) were "called" to have lots of wives. It was like being called to be the bishop or elders quorum president or Sunday School teacher. It's not like you could just join the church and then say "hey, where do I pick up my wives?"

So many Mormons were themselves massacred in New York and Missouri and elsewhere that there literally weren't enough men to go around at the time. But it wasn't as if every man could just start marrying whoever he took a fancy to. A lot of those marriages were arranged.

I get a kick out of the polygamy jokes, because it seems so crazy nowadays. I mean one wife is almost too much.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

C'mon, you'd be violent too if you had 8 wives nagging you.

And they all would be PMS'ing at the same time of the month... how frigging wonderful!

[SCWDP911]

I am fairly thick-skinned, and was going to just blow this one off, but...

I am a member of the LDS Church ( or Mormons). The Mountain Meadows Massacre was a terrible tragedy and good representation of when things go very wrong. To put things in perspective, those people (the Mormon pioneers) had been through many years of horrible persecution, including an extermination order signed into law by Governor Boggs in Missouri. Also, google Haun's Mill. MY LAST STATEMENT IN NO WAY IS MEANT TO JUSTIFY THE HORRIBLE TRAGEDY AT MOUNTAIN MEADOWS. The church also recognizes it for what it is. Who would want to talk about it that much. It is an ugly stain, but was caused by a group of local individuals who made a lot of VERY bad decisions.

That said, I am offended by your title for the thread. It is distasteful in my opinion, Mormon or not, to make an improper suggestive play on words like that, especially at this time of year. I have served this country in the Submarine Force of the US Navy. My family has had military personnel clear back to Washington's army.

I do not wish to make a big deal out of a joke. I just ask that maybe you can change the title of this thread to reflect what you are actually talking about.

Thank you,
Shane Van Wey

[onewhippedpuppy]

Shane, did you read Craig's post? Just curious.........

[TerryBPP]

I've always wanted to do a:

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[berettafan]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

And they all would be PMS'ing at the same time of the month... how frigging wonderful!

so you stay in the garage 3 or 4 days out of 28-31. worse would be to have them pms'ing at DIFFERENT times!

[Rick Lee]

Jon Krakauer wrote about all this stuff in Under the Banner of Heaven. It was a fascinating read and I plan to pick up some of the books he recommended in his own book for further reading on the subject. I went to Colorado City, AZ in May. That's the inspiration for Juniper Creek and the Compound on Big Love. Hard to believe that such a place exists in the US. And I'd be willing to bet Warren Jeffs gets acquitted before long.

[BeyGon]

I went on a vacation in Mexico with my wife, we were to meet three of her friends and their husbands. I had never met the husbands.
All the other husbands chickened out, I was there for a week with four women. There was never a plan made that was stuck to, never on time, always talking about it but never doing it.
I now believe if the Mormons can live with more than one woman, they must have the right God.

[Rick Lee]

BeyGon, the difference with FLDS polygamists is that the women do exactly as they are told and are brought up to not think for themselves or ever question the prophet. When he tells a 14 yr. old girl she will marry her 50 yr. old great uncle, she does it.