Radar detector and cops

[Jeff Higgins]

Save your money, kids. Rocky Mountain has been under investigation for fraudulant claims for some time. They advertise their product as "FCC legal in most states". The simple fact of the matter is that it cannot be and still be effective. The FCC assigns frequencies to specific uses; it requires a license to broadcast on the frequencies used by police RADAR. The jamming device must broadcast on those frequencies to jam RADAR. Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is...

http://www.radarbusters.com/phazerradarjammerarticle.cfm

Phazer Radar Jammers
You perhaps of heard the radio commercial, promoting a device that promises no more tickets, the Phazor radar jammer.

But does the device manufactured by Rocky Mountain actually mask your speed to the police radar and laser as they advertise? The answer is no!

Radar Roy, a retired Lieutenant with the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office and a certified traffic radar instructor, has been interviewed by FOX News and MSNBC for his reviews of products involved in the counter speed measurement industry.

Radar Roy has tested many of the products offered by Rocky Mt Radar, who manufacturers and sells radar detectors and jammers and he never has found one that works!

Roy is so convinced that these products have no effect what so ever in blocking the radar/laser signal that he is offering a $5000.00 reward for ANYONE that can so him one that does.

So before you buy one of their units, you may want to do some further checking on their product!

The El Paso Better Business Bureau and the United States Federal Trade Commission have a large number of complaints that have been filed against the manufacture of the Phazor by customers. These complaints range from false and misleading advertising, not paying the ticket guarantee they they offer, and not refunding money when products were returned. You can view these complaints click here.

Also several television news stations that include 20/20, The CBS Good Morning Show, Extra and American Journal have all tested the products and found that they do not work as advertised. To view these online news shows, click here.

To review Radar Roy's reviews of the latest radar detectors and jammers, please click here

[BGCarrera32]

The real easy way to save money on tickets and not have to spend hundres of dollars on a V1 is to....get this....not speed. If you don't wanna get pulled over don't do stupid stuff.

On the one hand we have a thread here about people speeding in front of an individuals house and crabbing that the cops aren't doing enough, on the other hand now the cops are arrogant and ignorant with radar use. Get real.

[Jeff Higgins]

There is a huge difference between enforcing speed limits in populated areas where speeders are a danger to others, and enforcing them in the middle of bum fuch nowhere on an empty highway or freeway. One is actually a real safety issue; the other is not. Most of us understand that very simple, very obvious difference. Unfortunately, the laws appear to made for those of you that don't.

[flashgordon13]

A freind of mine can just look at a car going down the road and tell you how fast it's going. He is almost always with 2-3mph of the cars actual speed. It is truely amazing and we have tried to fool him put he gets it right every time. I think the guy is some sort of robotic ticket writing machine. He tells me that the radar is just used to verify his observations and he has won more than one case without any radar. It sucks that the system will always put more weight on the officers word than any other evidence, but that's the way it is. The moral of the story is that when we spped and get caught, just accept it and pay the fines. I've heard lots of people trying to fight a ticket, but I've never heard of anyone winning.

[Tobra]

If they are using radar, they have to calibrate the device, you can demand to know how long it has been since this was done, how much training the officer in question had with the device, are there any known issues with the device they are using, etc.

Don't they get enough revenue from the gasoline tax?

[avi8torny]

Originally Posted by Tobra

If they are using radar, they have to calibrate the device, you can demand to know how long it has been since this was done, how much training the officer in question had with the device, are there any known issues with the device they are using, etc.

I'm sure they would love for you to DEMAND an answer to this question on the roadside......

[legion]

The only time the average citizen encounters the police is during a traffic stop. Speeding tickets are (unconstitutionally) being held to the "preponderance of evidence" standard. Murderers and rapists are often acquited or have rulings overturned for technicalities that closely mirror how routine traffic stops are handled. The average citizen may be inclined to think that in court, murderers and rapists recieve better treatment.

Not a great PR move with the general public IMO.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by avi8torny

I'm sure they would love for you to DEMAND an answer to this question on the roadside......

that is why you do it in court

[FOG]

Flash,

Not that unusual really. In the fixed wing world we do join ups and we are flying much faster, and much further and usually bracket the other aircraft w/in 5KIAS.

S/F, FOG

[dshepp806]

I'm with Jeff's comments.

Best

[steve185]

There is a huge difference between enforcing speed limits in populated areas where speeders are a danger to others, and enforcing them in the middle of bum fuch nowhere on an empty highway or freeway. One is actually a real safety issue; the other is not. Most of us understand that very simple, very obvious difference. Unfortunately, the laws appear to made for those of you that don't.
__________________

Nothing ever happens and nobody ever gets killed on an empty highway right? The laws are there for a reason, imagine if there were no traffic laws or they were not enforced, how safe would you feel about having loved ones on the highway? There always seems to be a lot of complaining on this board about law enforcement, but how safe would our communities be without it.
Steve

[dshepp806]

Yes, "they" do get killed...and what do you see as the common reasons for "them" getting killed?

We're not talking about "all" the traffic laws,..just the speeding one....Quite obvious the outcome from not enforcing the "other" common traffic laws.

Yes, traffic laws are there for a reason (primarily). What would be Germany's "reason" for not posting a limit on the hall-arse hiway?

The complaining on the board (law enforcement) is not presented in a general context, in my view. Contrary: it is somewhat specific. Nobody on this board has lacking appreciation for what these guys do for the betterment of our society's safety, in terms of "law enforcement" (as you put it).

......I do appreciate what they do,...simply put.

I'm still with Jeff on this one.....there's a difference, as he says. All we can do is change the laws,....or,: continue to defeat them every time, experiencing what these cars were made to do,..all within reason (mine) and intelligent decisions....yes, this can still be done. I will continue to do so....

In fact, I'm up for a jammer (laser) install in December and can't wait to have that capability (although I don't see much of this in my area). The only "ones" left to watch out for are the "patient ones",....the ones who don't pop-off a lot of instant on radar while sitting there,..waiting for the "big fish"...most of the time, they can't wait and you'll pick their signals up (with a good, sensitive detector)...but not always.....you just have to have the feel for your surroundings.

'nough said. Everybody be safe out there,...and forgive them, for they know not what they do. (not)

Best,



It's a game,....after a lifetime of practicing, so far I'm winning.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by flashgordon13

A freind of mine can just look at a car going down the road and tell you how fast it's going. He is almost always with 2-3mph of the cars actual speed. It is truely amazing and we have tried to fool him put he gets it right every time. I think the guy is some sort of robotic ticket writing machine. He tells me that the radar is just used to verify his observations and he has won more than one case without any radar. It sucks that the system will always put more weight on the officers word than any other evidence, but that's the way it is. The moral of the story is that when we spped and get caught, just accept it and pay the fines. I've heard lots of people trying to fight a ticket, but I've never heard of anyone winning.

I can look at a feeler guage & tell if it's .020 or .025. And I've beaten a few cops in court.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by steve185

Nothing ever happens and nobody ever gets killed on an empty highway right? The laws are there for a reason, imagine if there were no traffic laws or they were not enforced, how safe would you feel about having loved ones on the highway? There always seems to be a lot of complaining on this board about law enforcement, but how safe would our communities be without it.
Steve

Like Doyle says, I think most of us appreciate and respect cops a great deal. The work they do in our communities cannot be overstated; it makes us all safer from criminal activity. Speed enforcement is, however, different.

There are many countries, and even still some states, where speeding on rural backroads with no one around goes entirely unnoticed by the authorities. Even if a limit is posted. No one is any less safe because of that. Employing police officers to monitor speeds on those roads, and issue fines to those that exceed the somewhat arbitrary limits, is not the best or most effective use of their time. That used to be recognized, and cops didn't just sit with a radar gun filling up ticket books. Maybe partly because it was so damn hard to get a conviction. If they saw you doing something dangerous, they would certainly stop and cite you. But not for ten, fifteen, twenty over on a wide open lonely road. Just wasn't worth their time and effort. There was then, and remains today, no real impact on public safety.

Now, however, some one has decided it is worth their effort. Not because things suddenly got more dangerous on our roads. It is worth it today simply because the burden of proof has changed from "reasonable doubt" to "preponderance". They can convict anyone, and collect their money, with no case whatsoever. Suddenly it has become a very lucrative way to spend a cop's day. I'm sure they really don't want to do it any more than we want them to do it (gawd that has to be boring and unfulfilling). The powers that be sure like the money, though. So that is how they decide to deploy our police.

It has been mentioned that the vast majority of us will only deal with a cop in a traffic stop. That has held true for me, and everyone I know. I don't even know anyone who has ever been arrested. Yet most I know have a disdain for police, or more accurately for this use of the police.

It has also been mentioned that a serious criminal has more rights in court than an honest, upright, contributing citizen has in traffic court. That is very true. It is aslo a shame it has come to that. If the state is going to accuse a citizen of anything, from spitting on the sidewalk to murder, their burden of proof should remain the same. Reasonable doubt.

If we were ever able to return to that burden of proof in traffic court (and there are those working on this) we would see these b.s. speed traps dry up and blow away tomorrow. The State Patrol would once again actually patrol. Cops would be freed up to go after real criminals. The departments that have more than they need to do that could trim staff and budgets. And none of us would be any less safe on our roadways.

[legion]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071025/ap_on_hi_te/gps_ticket_challenge

A retired sheriff's deputy nevertheless hopes to beat the long odds of the law by setting the performance of a police officer's radar gun against the accuracy of the GPS tracking device he installed in his teenage stepson's car.

The retired deputy, Roger Rude, readily admits his 17-year-old stepson, Shaun Malone, enjoys putting the pedal to the metal. That's why he and Shaun's mother insisted on putting a global positioning system that monitors the location and speed of the boy's Toyota Celica.

Shaun complained bitterly about his electronic chaperone until it became his new best friend on July 4, when he was pulled over and cited for going 62 mph in a 45 mph zone.

Rude encouraged him to fight the ticket after the log he downloaded using software provided by the GPS unit's Colorado-based supplier showed Shaun was going the speed limit within 100 feet of where a Petaluma officer clocked him speeding.

[Flatbutt1]

Originally Posted by avi8torny

I'm sure they would love for you to DEMAND an answer to this question on the roadside......

meaning a patrol officer can do whatever they feel like doing?

[Bill Douglas]

The cops here in New Zealand are locking the radar on with one car, keeping the recording, and writing tickets out to other drivers claiming that is what they caught them doing. The judge is more likely to believe the cop. Beware, they are out to get you.