Rumblings in Persia

legion · 10-23-2007, 06:00 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071023/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_ahmadinejad

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TEHRAN, Iran - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cut short a planned two-day visit to Armenia on Tuesday, officials there said, as the hard-line leader faced growing unhappiness back home over the resignation of Iran's top nuclear negotiator.

The sudden replacement of negotiator Ali Larijani fueled already increasing complaints — even from conservatives who were once his supporters — that the fire-brand president was mismanaging Iran's most vital issues, particularly the confrontation with the West over the nuclear program.

Our boy Mahmoud is losing support of the clerics--and he never had the support of the populace. Could this be setting the stage for a second revolution? I trust the people of Iran far more than the clerics. I'd like to see the people rule...

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

People are stupid, despite what DiTech says.

Dottore · 10-23-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by legion

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071023/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_ahmadinejad

Our boy GW is losing support of the religious right--and he never had the support of the populace. Could this be setting the stage for a second revolution? I trust the people of America far more than the religious right. I'd like to see the people rule...

Well put legion. I agree entirely.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Dottore, you have to remember that people who watch Fox Noise think Ahmadinejad is the "leader" of Iran.

HardDrive · 10-23-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by legion

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071023/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_ahmadinejad

Our boy Mahmoud is losing support of the clerics--and he never had the support of the populace. Could this be setting the stage for a second revolution? I trust the people of Iran far more than the clerics. I'd like to see the people rule...

Why do you care?

Seriously, I would like to you to explain how the leadership of Iran has anything to do with your life. Does he visit Indiana often? Does Indiana share a border with Iran? Has there even been a war between Indiana and Iran?

Maybe you should take a step back, and worry about the things that really matter to your family and issues in your community, and not allow FOX news pump you full of their poison.

RoninLB · 10-23-2007, 09:33 PM

I suspect more is happening inside Iran that what the press reports.

Just my speculation is that it may be a hangover from Israel's bombing of Syria's chocolate factory in early Sept. Both Iran and Syria have Russia's latest technology for air defense. Israel sneaked in and out and Syria's expensive system were blinded.

Israel didn't waste time at the UN. Israel did what it wanted. Iran is standing on a banana peel with its expensive nuke ambitions and expensive air defense and they know it. Israel rewrote Iran's ambitions.

Maybe Ahmadinejad asked Putin for his money back as was told to f___ off. A failing economy and he's blowing money on trying to create a Persian kingdom of the whole ME controled by Iran.

DARISC · 10-23-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dottore

Well put legion. I agree entirely.

And I as well.

island911 · 10-23-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by techweenie

Dottore, you have to remember that people who watch Fox Noise think Ahmadinejad is the "leader" of Iran.

Yeah? ...is that what they think? Do you have anymore highbrow insight to offer?

Geez weenie, the posts are about the clerics loosing power.

GO DAWG GO · GO DAWG GO's Garage

Hard drive: Please remove head from a-s. Why are you so fricken venomous? I cant stand to read this garbage on this site anymore. You guys behave like a bunch of women with PMS.

Oh! by the way...CNN reports honest and balanced propaganda...right?

Shaun @ Tru6 · 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by legion

I trust the people of Iran far more than the clerics. I'd like to see the people rule...

Really? And they earned this trust in some way?

Tell us your vision for "the people" ruling Iran. Perhaps you could "look into their eyes and see their souls" and tell us all about it. then tell us all about how Putin shows up 40 minutes late to a meeting with Condi and Gates, while giving "your boy" Mahmoud a handjob. Please, please give us your well-informed geo-political assessment of Iranian religious and secular leadership roles, how they interplay and their effect on regional-international politics. TIA.

You'd like to see the people rule. ummmmm yeaaaaaaahhhh.

legion · 10-24-2007, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dottore

Well put legion. I agree entirely.

That bit is getting old.

futuresoptions · 10-24-2007, 05:10 AM

Ever wonder why we are so divided? Who profits from the division and who needs the division to continually exist? Most of our differences are easily solved through common sense solutions but there are truly no benefits to solving the problems. If problems were solved there would be a decrease in need for bureaucracy. Bureaucracy creates jobs. People loose jobs and power if both sides actually came to common sense solutions.....

Shaun @ Tru6 · 10-24-2007, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by futuresoptions

Ever wonder why we are so divided? Who profits from the division and who needs the division to continually exist? Most of our differences are easily solved through common sense solutions but there are truly no benefits to solving the problems. If problems were solved there would be a decrease in need for bureaucracy. Bureaucracy creates jobs. People loose jobs and power if both sides actually came to common sense solutions.....

Military Industrial Complex. they make the most $ out of conflict and are the most organized.

I just finished David Galula's Counterinsurgency Warfare Theory and Practice, the same book that General Petraeus relied on (in part) in creating the Army's manual.

Everyone must read this book.

Mule · 10-24-2007, 05:34 AM

Boy you lefties stay in the GW & Fox News frenzy, dont ya.

Mule · 10-24-2007, 05:36 AM

Get moronramp involved & you'll have the whole Pelican Communist Party down with this.

HardDrive · 10-24-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GO DAWG GO

Hard drive: Please remove head from a-s. Why are you so fricken venomous? I cant stand to read this garbage on this site anymore. You guys behave like a bunch of women with PMS.

Oh! by the way...CNN reports honest and balanced propaganda...right?

Huh?

Asking him to step back and put the issue in perspective is venomous?

Superman · 10-24-2007, 07:39 AM

The real battle is the one with words, ideologies, propaganda. Today, nations are captured with these, not guns.

The gun thing is a commercial venture. Dubya won't figure this out. Cheney has, but Dubya won't.

legion · 10-24-2007, 07:48 AM

Supe you are right--in a way. We are unwilling to use guns to capture nations, so that leaves us with "words, ideologies, and propaganda" as our weapons.

I was hoping that someone would throw out how overwhelmingly pro-American the Iranian poplulace is. This is our biggest asset IMO. Charging in with "guns" would quickly ruin this. If Ahmadinejad (the government) is at odds with the mullahs (the religion), it could open an opportunity for the people.

An internal revolution (maybe one we can quietly help feed) would be the ideal situation for us.

Mo_Gearhead · 08:10 AM

QUOTE: "Israel didn't waste time at the UN. Israel did what it wanted. Iran is standing on a banana peel with its expensive nuke ambitions and expensive air defense and they know it. Israel rewrote Iran's ambitions."

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Agree.

Nothing new here. Israel will ALWAYS move to defend itself, it's just easier with a cowboy in the White House and no political pressure from the U.S. to desist.

The Iran clerics (though some may want to categorize them as radicals) are not so ignorant as to not see the big picture unfolding.

Jan. 09, new U.S. admin. (they hope democratic) to take some pressure off them here, but Israel is the Lone Ranger. (you don't pull the mask...)

The entire world KNOWS that a nuclear attack delivered on Israel, USA, etc. by a 'sovereign nation' (not terrorists) will again unleash the 'sleeping giant'. And those that wish for it will indeed find such an attacking nation turned to ...glass!

NO ONE wants that to actually happen. So the dance continues.

Mule · 10-24-2007, 09:06 AM

Legion, am I to understand that these foolish people yearn for the days of western style rule, even though they had to deal with the shah? Surely this cannot be the case!