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One thing that is true - the Repubs botched things up so bad in the last few years, both substantively and on things like image control, that this is the Dems game to take.

But by nominating the most disliked woman in America, with just about the highest negative polling numbers of anyone (male or female) in America, the Dems sure seem intent on blowing it.

For a sports analogy, the Repubs have fumbled the ball, but the Dems are about to pick it up and run it into their own endzone.

The Dems really need to clean house at the top of their party.

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The end times are indeed upon us. I agree with "the."
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The end times are indeed upon us. I agree with "the."
Here's the deal...lose the party affiliation and work to FIX this mess. Term limits...insist on it, vote for it.

Our system needs a transfusion.
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Interesting there's an article in politico about that subject today. Pelosi, Reid, Murtha and Hoyer are getting an earful from their own members who are fed up with their leadership. The Armenian snafu is just the latest example (but a particularly bad one) in a long line of Pelosi missteps- starting with the Mid East trip and her horrific attempt at diplomacy.

They've belatedly reached out to Republicans on SCHIP and Hoyer is getting an earful from them- most Democrats know they need the Republicans to actually get something done- and they're worried about their own approval ratings. Interestingly the two parties are not far apart on the issue and the junior members know this- and want the posturing to stop.

Hopefully some wiser heads will prevail- at this point Pelosi makes Gingrich look like a statesman.
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I'm not okay with term limits. It would limit our ability to re-elect good legislators. It's just a band-aid that assumes (rightly so) that voters are idiots and that challengers are better suited than incumbents. I know it will never happen, but I'm just stubbon enough to be still hoping that voters might become informed. I see no band-aids that will prevent ignorant voters from electing anarchists and communists.
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I'm not okay with term limits. It would limit our ability to re-elect good legislators. It's just a band-aid that assumes (rightly so) that voters are idiots and that challengers are better suited than incumbents. I know it will never happen, but I'm just stubbon enough to be still hoping that voters might become informed. I see no band-aids that will prevent ignorant voters from electing anarchists and communists.
I used to think this, but have decided that there are plenty of good folks out there who can replace even the good legislators. If I were king for a day, there'd be not only term limits, but it would be one term only, no reelections period and no more jobs on the federal payroll after the first one. Get out of Washington and get a real job! What amazing changes we'd have without career politicians.
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I'm not okay with term limits. It would limit our ability to re-elect good legislators. It's just a band-aid that assumes (rightly so) that voters are idiots and that challengers are better suited than incumbents. I know it will never happen, but I'm just stubbon enough to be still hoping that voters might become informed. I see no band-aids that will prevent ignorant voters from electing anarchists and communists.
You miss the central problem...seniority, the power of seniority. It must be changed.

The FFs, IMHO, had no idea that a permanent political class would become tantamount They accounted for most of the vanity of man, but they seemed to have missed this phenom.

Term limits would serve to enhance the pool of good legislators by removing the barriers to even challenge an incumbent today. Odd I want to level the playing field and you seem to enjoy the current, stolid system that enhances the status quo.
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Term limits...insist on it, vote for it.
We have term limits, every 4 years you can vote them out. What we really need is to keep the stupid people from voting, you should own property and not be not be on Government assistance to vote. Convicted felons shouldn't be voting either

That asswhipe edwards wants to limits what CEOs can earn, but he hasn't said a thing limiting what trial lawyers can steal from everyone!!!
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We have term limits, every 4 years you can vote them out. What we really need is to keep the stupid people from voting, you should own property and not be not be on Government assistance to vote. Convicted felons shouldn't be voting either

That asswhipe edwards wants to limits what CEOs can earn, but he hasn't said a thing limiting what trial lawyers can steal from everyone!!!
From what I know, removing an entrenched incumbent can be nearly impossible. Whomever he has chosen to support (lobby) will be more than happy to leverage enough cash to destroy the campaign of most challengers. Just watch, even the bad incumbents have to f-up pretty badly to get voted out.

I agree with Paul (Seahawk), I think that this a great way to affect change. If the biggest problem with Washington is the politicians, get rid of the politicians. 4 years to serve your nation, then it's back to the real world. If becoming a senator wasn't like winning the lottery, you might actually get people that wish to serve their country. It would go a long way towards destroying the established relationships/stranglehold that special interest groups and lobbyists have on our government.
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Little Johnny Haircut is a scary gent, but he is not getting elected to anything, maybe VP I guess, but Hillary will take the black chain smoker over the fair skinned baby soul channeler for her #2.

Matt, you are not white trash, you have a Dodge truck with pipes, you are a redneck.

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If Edwards, Soros, Clinton, etc feel that they are not paying enough taxes...the federal government will certainly accept their contributions. They have already made theirs and don't really care if you make yours. Raising taxes on earned income really only hurts those working stiffs that must depend on earning income...not guys that have already amassed wealth like Edwards, etc...
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We have term limits, every 4 years you can vote them out. What we really need is to keep the stupid people from voting......
I agree. Actually, I don't agree with the bit about prohibiting stupid people from voting.......conservatives should play some role in decision-making.......but I just think that as long as voters are unaware of what's going on, term limits and other bandaids are not going to be effective.

Indeed, here is one of the many downsides to all this gubmit-bashing. We have tens of thousands, if not millions, of talented managers out there in the private sector. Do you think they are anxious to take a gubmit job where they can be considered a lazy, mindless idiot? What if we pretended that public service were an honorable and valuable and respected gig? And....what if we paid a market rate?
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I support non bad things and I like all things good. I want to vote for good things..................err...so then...I should.................vote........ for John?

I want......no, I need to vote against bad things,........but......what am ..I..................... voting for now?

If I don't vote for John, then I'm voting for.... bad things? Or, if I don't vote for John am I voting against..... non bad things?

I think I need a drink. What's John drinking?
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I agree. Actually, I don't agree with the bit about prohibiting stupid people from voting.......conservatives should play some role in decision-making.......but I just think that as long as voters are unaware of what's going on, term limits and other bandaids are not going to be effective.

Indeed, here is one of the many downsides to all this gubmit-bashing. We have tens of thousands, if not millions, of talented managers out there in the private sector. Do you think they are anxious to take a gubmit job where they can be considered a lazy, mindless idiot? What if we pretended that public service were an honorable and valuable and respected gig? And....what if we paid a market rate?
I'm glad you're so smart Superman. If we just had more smart people like you, can you imagine? It must be true that government workers, in general, are smarter than the stupid masses. All these anti government idiots out here trying to undue years of progress and getting in the way of our future potential. Heck, if it weren't for the Federal Government the world would come to a screeching halt. Don't you think?

Sure, Gbmnt can be inefficient, but would you trust an efficient private agency? Neither would I. The private agencies' greed alone causes everything they touch to be dangerous, and who will reign in all the money they're stealing from the stupid masses? The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Who will stop this injustice?

It's high time we get smart and vote, yes vote, against Bad Things.

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