Illegals and Voting

[legion]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-immigvoter_03dec03,1,323264.story?track=rss

Now, I don't know how I feel about the particular person in this article, but this bothers me:

But Keathley said the clerk saw her Filipino passport as part of the application for the state identification card. She figured that if a state employee offered her the opportunity to register, it must be all right.

The state says its employees are prohibited by federal law from seeking confirmation of citizenship before registering people to vote.
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There are no records kept to accurately reflect the size of the problem.

1) There is a federal law preventing state employees from seeking confirmation of citizenship before registering people to vote? Are you f***ing kidding me?

2) "There are no records kept to accurately reflect the size of the problem." Politicians order studies and pass laws about keeping records all day long. The simple fact that they "there are no records kept" tells me that politicians simiply are not interested in the answer. They'd rather get votes from non-US citizens than to serve the people they are supposed to.

[1fastredsc]

Unless changed we might start hearing candidates talk about immigration amnesty again to win some votes.

[frogger]

Voting fraud in Illinois? Never happens.

[kach22i]

She voted, something we can't get half the Americans that can to do.

Being a minority her chances of NOT having her vote count are 500% greater than for average white Americans. Chances are her vote did not get counted, whats the big deal?

Example:
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/an_election_spoiled_rotten.php

Hispanic voters have a 500 percent greater chance of their vote being "spoiled."

I've also heard that there is a 900% greater chance of Native American votes not counting.

[frogger]

George, her vote was NOT SUPPOSED to count. She's not a US citizen.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by kach22i

She voted, something we can't get half the Americans that can to do.

Being a minority her chances of NOT having her vote count are 500% greater than for average white Americans. Chances are her vote did not get counted, whats the big deal?

Example:
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/an_election_spoiled_rotten.php


I've also heard that there is a 900% greater chance of Native American votes not counting.

What? How does the liklihood of not having your vote counted relate to your ethnicity? Because you can't read English and so may vote for the wrong guy? Kidding me? I couldn't care less about someone's ethnicity. It's not the government's business.

Most states have motor-voter laws now, where getting a driver's license automatically registers one to vote. In fact, this latest election in VA was the first time I was ever even asked for ID when I went to vote. It's probably illegal too that they asked me!

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by frogger

George, her vote was NOT SUPPOSED to count. She's not a US citizen.

I know, but the irony is that there is a 500% greater chance that it was never counted anyway.

Back in 1979 when I worked at the steel mill there was a written test I had to pass at the Employment Office to be considered for the job. The test asked me to select an example of "irony" from a list. If blue collar factory workers are expected to know what "irony" is, how come some Porsche owners still don't get it?

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

It's not the government's business.

If only we lived in such a world.

'It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes'

[gprsh924]

Originally Posted by frogger

Voting fraud in Illinois? Never happens.

Good stuff

[legion]

Originally Posted by kach22i

I know, but the irony is that there is a 500% greater chance that it was never counted anyway.

Back in 1979 when I worked at the steel mill there was a written test I had to pass at the Employment Office to be considered for the job. The test asked me to select an example of "irony" from a list. If blue collar factory workers are expected to know what "irony" is, how come some Porsche owners still don't get it?

That's not ironic.

Ironic would be if she was voted for one of the people trying to deport her.

[id10t]

Irony? Thats like silvery and goldy, but different right?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I'm almost ready to say "just let 'em vote anyway" seeing as it won't ultimately change anything and our politicians are going to do whatever they damn well please anyway, with no accountability to anyone.

[sammyg2]

Welcome to 11 years ago.

True story, I went to high school with a girl who in the yearbook said she would be interested in going into politics. After college she ran for Anaheim city council under the name Loretta Brixey. She lost. (she was a registered republican).
Two years later she was approached by the democratic national committee with a proposition:
Change you last name, change your party affiliation, get a fake address in santa Ana and we will get you elected to congress.
She did. They did. She supposedly won by 984 votes AFTER she changed her name back to Sanchez. No political experience, a nobody, but because she changed her name back to sanchez and pretended to be from Santa Ana she was in congress. The election was frought with voter fraud, claims of thousands of illegal aliens being recruited and signed up to vote.
A Congressional investigation found evidence that 624 votes were indeed cast by non-citizens and an additional 124 were improper absentee votes, but these votes were not enough to throw Sanchez's victory into doubt so the investigation was halted.

In consultation with the INS, the House committee identified as many as 4,700 questionable registration affidavits; however, the probe was dropped before these affidavits were investigated. As Article I Section V of the Constitution of the United States provides that "Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members" the investigation was without legal authority.

A few years later the DMC talked her sister into doing the same thing, now she's in cogress too. All because of a hispanic last name and claims of illegal aliens voting. It happens and the democrats sponsor it. The democrats are selling off pieces of our country in exchange for power.

She is now presented as a latina who spoke no english growing up. BS. he spoke english as wel las anyone at that school, in fact I doubt she even spoke fluent spanish back then.

[legion]

Man, I never knew DeLorean was into voter fraud too!

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Welcome to 11 years ago.

True story, I went to high school with a girl who in the yearbook said she would be interested in going into politics. After college she ran for Anaheim city council under the name Loretta Brixey. She lost. (she was a registered republican).
Two years later she was approached by the democratic national committee with a proposition:
Change you last name, change your party affiliation, get a fake address in santa Ana and we will get you elected to congress.
She did. They did. She supposedly won by 984 votes AFTER she changed her name back to Sanchez. No political experience, a nobody, but because she changed her name back to sanchez and pretended to be from Santa Ana she was in congress. The election was frought with voter fraud, claims of thousands of illegal aliens being recruited and signed up to vote.
A Congressional investigation found evidence that 624 votes were indeed cast by non-citizens and an additional 124 were improper absentee votes, but these votes were not enough to throw Sanchez's victory into doubt so the investigation was halted.

In consultation with the INS, the House committee identified as many as 4,700 questionable registration affidavits; however, the probe was dropped before these affidavits were investigated. As Article I Section V of the Constitution of the United States provides that "Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members" the investigation was without legal authority.

A few years later the DMC talked her sister into doing the same thing, now she's in cogress too. All because of a hispanic last name and claims of illegal aliens voting. It happens and the democrats sponsor it. The democrats are selling off pieces of our country in exchange for power.

She is now presented as a latina who spoke no english growing up. BS. he spoke english as wel las anyone at that school, in fact I doubt she even spoke fluent spanish back then.

Do you write for Fox News?

Loretta Sanchez was born in Lynwood, California and graduated from Katella High School in Anaheim in 1978. She received her undergraduate degree from Chapman University in Orange in 1982, obtained her MBA from American University in Washington, DC in 1984, and was a financial analyst until entering the House.

In 1994 Sanchez ran unsuccessfully as a moderate Republican for the Anaheim City Council under her then married name, Loretta Brixey. In 1996, she changed parties and recast herself as a moderate Democrat to run in the 46th District against controversial six-term Republican incumbent Bob Dornan.

Sanchez is conservative on fiscal issues. She supported tax reform along with Republicans in her first campaign and has also sided with conservatives on such issues as amending the Constitution to outlaw flag desecration and encouraging states to prosecute violent juvenile offenders as adults. [11] She is a Blue Dog Democrat as well as a member of the New Democrat Coalition.

[red-beard]

Wasn't there a county or city council woman, high desert between LA and Las Vegas, where the woman on the council didn't realize she was an illegal?

[sammyg2]

clipped from "How to Steal an Election"
John Fund

Wholesale vote fraud is on the rise again, almost all of it trying to elect Democratic candidates. The reason that the cheating is happening overwhelmingly among the Dems these days may have something to do with who supports the respective parties, say Larry Sabato and Glenn Simpson in their book Dirty Little Secrets. Republican voters tend to be middle class and not easily tempted to commit fraud, while "the pool of people who appear to be available and more vulnerable to an invitation to participate in vote fraud tend to lean Democratic." Most incidents of wide-scale fraud, agrees Paul Harrison, director of the Center for American Politics at the University of Maryland, "reportedly occur in inner cities."

Barely a day has gone by in the run-up to the 2004 election without another outrageous story hitting the headlines. In Lansing, Michigan, the city clerk's office complained in late September about 5,000 to 8,000 fraudulent voter-registration forms that had recently come in—courtesy, election officials believed, of the Public Interest Research Group, a liberal advocacy outfit. In Racine, Wisconsin, around the same time, election officials discovered that Project Vote, another left-wing advocacy group, had filed scores of applications with phony addresses and other questionable items. The acting city clerk asked the district attorney's office to pursue possible criminal charges. Ohio, Nevada, Iowa—similar stories abounded in states across the country.

Why is such activity proliferating? It flows from the success of Democratic lawmakers in pushing aside clear, orderly, and rigorous voting procedures in favor of elastic and "inclusive" election rules that invite manipulation. A machine for corruption is the 1993 "Motor Voter Act," the first bill that President Clinton signed. The law requires government officials to allow anyone who renews a driver's license or applies for welfare or unemployment to register to vote on the spot, without showing ID or proof of citizenship. It also allows ID-free registration by mail. The law also makes it hard to purge voting lists of those who've died or moved. All this makes vote fraud a cinch, almost as easy as when Tammany Hall handed out pre-marked ballots.

Among the many abuses it has spawned, the Motor Voter law seems to have enabled illegal aliens to vote—for Democrats, evidence suggests. A 1996 INS investigation into alleged Motor Voter fraud in California's 46th congressional district discovered that "4,023 illegal voters possibly cast ballots in the disputed election between Republican Robert Dornan and Democrat Loretta Sanchez." Dornan lost by fewer than 1,000 votes. In 2002, Dean Gardner, a losing GOP candidate for California's state legislature, sent out a survey to 14,000 first-time voters. A total of 1,691 surveys came back. The results were startling: 76 people admitted that they weren't citizens but had voted, while 49 claimed not to have registered at their correct residence, as the law requires. Gardner lost by only 266 votes.

In the 2000 election, as the Missouri secretary of state later discovered, 56,000 St. Louis-area voters held multiple voter registrations. No one knows how much actual fraud took place, but it may have played a role in the Democratic defeats of incumbent Republican senator John Ashcroft, who lost his seat by 49,000 votes, and gubernatorial candidate Jim Talent, who lost by 21,000 votes.

All these stories of potential electoral abuses, Democrats retort, pale beside the Republican shenanigans that helped deliver Florida to George W. Bush in 2000. Media recounts that showed that Bush would have won Florida under any reasonable recount standard are beside the point, they say. Election officials wrongly identified thousands of people as felons, most of them minorities, thus preventing them from voting under the state's election laws. If those votes had counted, Democrats charge, Al Gore would be president today.

But both the Miami Herald and the Palm Beach Post found that, if anything, election officials were too permissive in whom they allowed to cast ballots. A Post analysis discovered that 5,600 people voted whose names matched those of convicted felons. "These illegal voters almost certainly influenced the down-to-the-wire presidential election," the Post reported. "Of the likely felons identified by the Post, 68 percent were registered Democrats."

Democrats think that the ambiguity in election laws will work to their benefit this fall, allowing them to litigate every single close race. Unfortunately, if "anything goes" continue to be the ballot bywords, the nation may soon wake up to a crisis even bigger than the 2000 Florida nightmare. Perhaps then the public will demand to know who subverted the election laws. But wouldn't it be better if we did something about the problem now—even if it's as simple as requiring everyone who votes to show an ID? In 2004, we should be well past the days of Boss Tweed.

[sammyg2]

What is your point Shaun? What you posted there is consistant with what I said. I don't what you are talking about with the fox news thing, maybe one of your drug-induced liberal halucinations?

She graduated from Katella high school (in Anaheim) in 1978. I graduated from Katella High school (in Anaheim) in 1979. She and I were in many classes together over the two years that we both attanded that school. I knew her well.
I watched as she ran for city council (when she was a rebublican named Brixey) and she lost. It was detailed very well in hte Anaheim bulletin which I subscribed to back then. I also lived in anaheim at the time.

Soon after she changed her party affiliation to democrat and in the papers filed for her election she listed Santa Ana as her residence. It wasn't. She still lived in Anaheim less than 1 mile from me. She had an office in Santa Ana which was listed as her residence, but at the time it wasn't zoned for residency. It was also paid for by the DNC. That is well documented.

She was elected because of her last name. She did almost no campaigning at all. Public appearances? nope. Speaches? Not that I can remember.
But I do remember thousands of posters all over that said only SANCHEZ FOR CONGRESS.
That was her campaign. All of it.
A hispanic name was all that was needed to win.

LOL i just re-read your post, the part about her working as a financial analyst? Nice demodrat spin. She was selling insurance.

[DanL911sc]

As if a candidate's last name never influenced the electorate....

Remember: blame the voters, not the politicians.