How about....a 69 GTO?

[RANDY P]

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!

It's still a "P" car - maybe Wayne will give us Pontiac guys a forum on Mullet grooming!

Mine isn't a GTO, mine is a LeMans (emphasis on snobbery) Started out life as Gold with Brown vinyl top, ghey 350 and peg legged rearend and hubcaps.

It was a rusted POS when I started. Now totally refinished with new sheetmetal and Deltron Starfire Blue Metallic

462 Poncho nasty cammed roller rockered hooked to aa TH 350 and 12 bolt 3.36 Posi. I lowered it too the other day..


Today


POS 350 gone


Side shot after lowering


Engine at the machine shop.



I'm in love with these cars. LIke I said, DO IT.

[johnco]

there's a show on the history channel coming on next about the 60's with a segment about the GTO

[Racerbvd]

I would go for it!!!! Hell, I want to get rid of about all my Porsche stuff and get another cool old hot rod, the local Porsche guys have me ready to drop the hobby!!

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

I would go for it!!!! Hell, I want to get rid of about all my Porsche stuff and get another cool old hot rod, the local Porsche guys have me ready to drop the hobby!!

All I can say? Getting rid of the Porsche stuff may not be all that bad...

[RANDY P]

you know, I haven't even LOOKED at my 911 in months. I get all woodied up surfing for Poncho stuff these days. Crap, it may actually may pass the 911 up in money spent.

Is that possible?

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by RANDY P

you know, I haven't even LOOKED at my 911 in months. I get all woodied up surfing for Poncho stuff these days. Crap, it may actually may pass the 911 up in money spent.

Is that possible?

Yep, in any passion, that's possible...I just spent well over a grand on a new pool cue and a case to put it in...that's not to mention the cost of the other cues in this case, and I'm the lowest of the low in pool ranking...a guy who is accurately known as a "banger".

I'm probably done with toy cars. Why? Just go on a long road trip. Then come home & tell us all what a great time you had. You'll figure it out. Street cars? Fun? You GOTTA be kidding.

I shoulda gone to the Reno open this weekend. There, I'd have been able to watch Shane Van Boening, the young lion from South Dakota, vs. Johnny Archer, a many times national champion, going head to head in a race to 9 in 9 ball, the finals, with $10K to the winner. Alas, the mountain passes from here to there were all clogged with snow & ice, and I can't take my cue case as carry on luggage. You see, pool cues are on the airline list as potential terrorist weapons. Yeah, I might have wanted to play some of those who were eliminated, paying $$$ for the education.

But cars? Many fond memories...no future desires.

Randy - great looking Lemans.

[RANDY P]

Lets face it. You build a hot car to scare the crap out of your buddies. NEvermind any of this stuff about racing and sportsmanship

[RANDY P]

thanks Mark. You should do the 69 - pretty car, and you'll always get your money back..Just get used to weird steering and actually having to use brakes on the off-ramp

also check out http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/

speaking of off-ramps - check out the forum "clubhouse" they don't have a moderator there. They all hunt liberals on that site and if you decide to burn a cross or two and post the pics, those guys don't mind. People think OT here is where the animals roam..

And Paul, I agree. I figure my days are numbered building this stuff. Being 37 with no real responsibilities can't last forever...Lord help me if I ever get married and actually HAVE to turn into an adult..

rjp

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

All I can say? Getting rid of the Porsche stuff may not be all that bad...

Well, there are only 3 cars that I have to keep, but if the rest goes, I'll take a nice long vacation which I know would make many here very happy (I still have my 50 chevy 3100)

[Hugh R]

opgi.com is your friend. Go for it, my son had a 72 Olds Cutlass that we worked on. Big iron, big heavy front suspension parts. Steering like a Mack truck even with a completly new front end. Parts are relatively cheap and available. A Goat, you won't lose money.

[kqw]

If I am not mistaken but, didn't the '67's come with a 389 and not a 400?

[RANDY P]

Originally Posted by kqw

If I am not mistaken but, didn't the '67's come with a 389 and not a 400?

Pontiac engines died in 1981.


They did have a 400 in 67. What makes Pontiac different than Chevy in the way that there are actually three series of blocks that will correspond to when the car was built. They are all externally the same size, just the displacement, water pump styles and motor mount holes are the difference.

Pre 70, 70-76 and 77-81 - You have to check when the block was made so it actually bolts into the car.

You can't easily bolt a 67 428 block into a 70 for instance without some welding and fabricaton. Some of the earlier 70's blocks will fit into earlier frames since they have the earlier motor mount hole patterns as well.

If you are used to the convienence of a Chevy, Pontiac is a royal PITA to work with. Header installation is an absolute nightmare even when you have the engine out. Parts are expensive, at least 1.5x as much as comparable chevy parts. The connecting rods in virtually all the garden variety engines are cast iron - people still race on em but to make them reliable you need forged rods which are $$$.

But the torque they all make is absolutely incredible. You don't need to gear the car really low to run hard nor spin the RPM's way up to make power - it makes them easy to set up for steet use. It's typical to have a Pontiac engine last hundreds of thousands of miles and still have little wear on the internals. The cylinder heads work extremely well for airflow and you can make decent torque and HP for displacement using them with little or moderate work. They also were known for their excellent exhaust systems out of the box - Pontiac spent a lot of time building an engine that worked surprisingly well out of the box.

Chevy was supposed to be the "entry level" car. its what you bought when you got your career started and moved up from a 10 year old jalopy. After you are established, Pontiac / Olds was the next step up, then Buick or Caddy dependent on if you were rich or poor by retirement time, and it shows in the way they are screwed together.

Pontiac bodies have generally higher build quality than the Chevys all do. More and better grounding points, more fasteners and generally better attention to detail- even the bracketry on the engine itself is better than the stamped steel used on Chevys. The HVAC systems are more sophisticated and surprisingly, work well. Even the temperature sensing types work as good as a modern system if the car is equipped.

There seems to be a resurgence of Pontiac interest in recent years, and parts are showing up in the aftermarket - blocks, cranks, heads, rods, etc. etc. which is bringing the prices down.

I was talking to the owner of a local musclecar resto shop the other day who is insistent that all 68-72 A bodies are now all starting to be priced like the Chevelles - he says watch the next BJ auction- it's littered with A-body GM cars and pricing through the roof.

rjp

[911Rob]

I agree with Pwd72S on GTO year and motor Sweet.

Byron, you're on drugs man!
Don't do anything until you get your tooth fixed.
We love ya brother; Just keep being YOU.

When I was younger one of my best buddies would climb in my ride and say, "OK, Scare me"
Ha, ha; I scared many!!!!

This past summer I asked one of my buddies; "Have you ever gone around a corner doing 200?" Shortly after, we did. He *****. Too funny.

Love the old muscle cars, but you can't beat a sports car and Porsche is the BEST!

[tabs]

My little 428 Mustang handles like a small block with the suspension I put underneath it. It also stops with the 4 wheel discs and it also goes fast fast fast with the motor work I had done.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

My very first car, when I was 17 years old, was a '67 Goat. 400 four speed (Muncie M22) with a 12 bolt rear end set up with posi and either 4.10 or 4.11 gears (can't remember which). Purple with a black vinyl top. I put a set of Hooker headers on it, an Edelbrock Tarantula manifold, a Holly 800 cfm double pumper, and a Crane cam and kit. Pretty darn quick car for its day. Wish I still had it. And the '67 Dodge R/T, '66 Plymouth Sport Fury, '68 Road Runner, '69 Super Bee...

Same here. Had a '67 model, silver with black interior. Mine was not as modified as Jeff's car, but sure wish I still had that car...

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

I would go for it!!!! Hell, I want to get rid of about all my Porsche stuff and get another cool old hot rod, the local Porsche guys have me ready to drop the hobby!!

Let us know when you are ready to let the stuff go. Might as well keep it in the family!

[stevepaa]

WhenI was a senior in high school, dad, who worked for GM forever, brought home a zone car for the weekend.

67 GTO, yellow, with white seats convertible. I still remember that drive.

[frogger]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

My favorite "GOAT" year...



with this engine:

Yeah, baby!

[pwd72s]

G.T.O.
Ronnie and the Daytonas
Written by John Wilkin

- Peak chart position # 4 in 1964
- The title track from their 1964 debut album for another Beach Boys' soundalike,
this one from Nashville. The Daytonas had a little trouble hitting the high tenor
notes in the studio, so they resorted to speeding up their voices for this song.

TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: Some lyrics are spelled phonetically, i.e., "why-ee-eye-
ine" = whine,
so as to look more like what was sung.


Little GTO, you're really lookin' fine
Three deuces and a four-speed and a 389
Listen to her tachin' up now, listen to her why-ee-eye-ine
C'mon and turn it on, wind it up, blow it out GTO

Wa-wa, (mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO") wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa
(mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO")
Wa-wa, (mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO") wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa
(mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO")
Wa-wa (mixed with "Ahhh, little GTO") wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa

You oughta see her on a road course or a quarter mile
This little modified hardtop has got plenty of style
She beats the gassers and the rail jobs, really drives 'em why-ee-eye-ild
C'mon and turn it on, wind it up, blow it out GTO


Wa-wa, (mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO") wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa
(mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO")
Wa-wa, (mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO") wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa
(mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO")
Wa-wa (mixed with "Ahhh, little GTO") wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa



MIXTURE
Gonna save all my money (turnin' it on, blowin' it out) and buy a GTO (turnin' it on,
blowin' it out)
Get a helmet and a roll bar (turnin' it on, blowin' it out) and I'll be ready to go
(turnin'
it on, blowin' it out)
Take it out to Pomona (turnin' it on, blowin' it out) and let 'em know (turnin' it on,
blowin' it out), yeah, yeah
That I'm the coolest thing around
Little buddy, gonna shut you down
When I turn it on, wind it up, blow it out GTO


Wa-wa, (mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO") wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa
(mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO")
Wa-wa, (mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO") wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa
(mixed with "Yeah, yeah, little GTO")
Wa-wa (mixed with "Ahhh, little GTO") wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa

FADE