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Another defection from the 997GT3RSR
http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071206/FREE/71206001/1531/FREE
Tafel racing is the latest to defect from Porsche to the Ferrari F430 in the ALMS. Now I love that Ferrari everybit as much as I do the RSR, but I am starting to worry that at this rate, the RSR won't make future ALMS grids. I don't have a suggestion except for Porsche working harder to develop a competitive car, as I would hate to see ALMS go the route of restrictors to even the cars up. I hope Porsche has some tricks up their sleeve to make the RSR competitive again. I know they came in second in GT2, but there never really was any doubt that Rizi Competizione was going to win the series.
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A good friend of mine was part of the Taffel crew. I heard this some time ago. Know what he says is making the Ferrari dominant? V8 power.
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That's too bad... I sure hope the engineers at Porsche get it all figured out soon...
And I thought the ALMS already uses restrictors. We got a tour of the Lizzards paddock a couple of years ago and they showed us the "new" restrictors that they were allowed to run. |
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12-13-2007, 09:11 AM
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What about the V10? Wasn't the CGT originally intended to be some type of racer? What happened to that?
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If Porsche were determined to clobber these guys, then we'd see a return to the finishes we saw in the 1980's. Think about a Cayman with a V-10.........
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Like a mid-engine V10 997?
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12-13-2007, 09:39 AM
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I really hope that the 998 has a V8.
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Get it done. The Cayman is the future of Porsche racing. |
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12-13-2007, 09:52 AM
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ALMS "levels the field" with intake restrictors and added weight. It is anything but "heads up" racing. In such an environment, the sanctioning body decides who wins and by how much. Remember the last time Porsche won Daytona with a GT car, and the smaller tanks along with added weight and rev limiters they got for their trouble. Different sanctioning body, but same approach. Porsche is already making noise that they may not return next year in P2, if ALMS severely restricts the RS Spyder in an effort to keep the R8 out front. So, could the current RSR beat the Ferrari? Sure, if the ALMS wants it to. Will the next, improved Porsche beat Ferrari? Only if ALMS wants it to.
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12-13-2007, 10:41 AM
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their not racing really..for TV & spectators maybe.. outcome has been decided.. Rika |
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12-13-2007, 11:01 AM
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I'd like to say a racing Cayman, but they are probably afraid it will hurt 911 sales. (Did the 914, which was raced, hurt 911 sales?)
But Jeff is right, the "rules" determine the winners.
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But the Porsche Co. of old..did just just that...
beating them at their own games, now it's past glories & profits Rika |
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12-13-2007, 11:11 AM
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Porsche has long been a master of exploiting racing rules to build a superior car. Heck, the RS Spyder is just the most recent example.
They also have a long history of being slapped down by sanctioning bodies who wanted someone else to win.
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I read an article in RACER last summer about "Peterson White Lightning Racing" and how they switched from the 997 in 2006 to the 430 in 2007.
What they described as the real advantage was the better (ie. easier and more forgiving) handling of the 430. They believed straight line speed was about the same between the 2. I think the engine packages are comparable. It's the chassis that needs to be improved to be more competitive. |
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It's stuff like this that makes me mad as hell.. Porsche use to be a POWER HOUSE in motorsport.. what the HELL is going on!? Sure they make a ice GT3/RS/RSR. but they need to get with the F*cking programand make a damn race car that win the GT class again! there is NO excuse for this crap!
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Also, it's not like the Ferraris are totally crushing the competition, like the 917 did to them back in the early '70's. Loosing to Kia would be a different story. |
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for Porsche to wobbling/falling in the GT class is SAD, Le Mans...belongs to Audi..don't know why the others show up..sloppy seconds and third. 917 was Porsche...the Spyder while great ..took to long , Acura will soon spank it anyway.. oh and Pontiac..that evil american car co. has handed Porsche it's panties several times. Rika |
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