A foreign policy we should have followed:

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by frogger

IMO, Berkowitz is full of *****. Bush hatred is no different. The level of hating between the Reps and Dems has grown steadily over the past dozen or more years. Perhaps we have the Newt Gingrich's of the GOP to thank for that. I'm sick of both parties and would seriously embrace an independent, if they were reasonably in line with my views. I don't see one on the horizon. Damn.

I put the onus of the divide on Fox and republican talk radio. I listen to it quite a lot and it can be distilled down to one word: Hate. I listen to Laura, Jay, and Bill mostly. their entire programs are about hating other people and hawking their chotchke's made in China, which is the only reason they exist.

I won't disagree with a liberal bias in the MSM, but at least their business model is based on reporting news. Fox and republican talk radio's business model is based on selling you junk made in China, timeshares, kitchen cabinets, etc.

You just don't hear Anderson Cooper or Brian Williams endorsing sleep number beds as the best thing they've ever slept on.

Furthermore, while I don't have a TV, I've been housesitting for a friend the last few days and been watching Fox and CNN. CNN has really great shows on Jesus and Military families. Fox has become like a TV version of the National Enquirer. I flip from a story on success in Iraq on CNN to the latest on Paris Hilton on Fox.

We live in a time where celebrities deliver the news with their personal spin to develop a personal audience where they personally profit: Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, etc. They all personally profit from spinning the news and getting you to join their team, become a member of their community where you feel you BELONG. Of course you have to create an enemy to really get people to feel that they belong to the "RIGHT" group and that in turn will encourage them to open their wallets.

It's that simple.

[cool_chick]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Of course! The guy who's too dumb to tie his own shoes knew the truth despite what Clinton, the CIA and all other western intel. agencies told him, and because Bush is evil incarnate, he went in anyway and he didn't even bother to have WMD planted in Iraq to vindicate his reasons for going in. And we all know the only reason Bush even ran for president is because he knew his brother would rig FL so that he'd win by just 537 votes and then Bush would be able to rebuild Afghanistan. It was a masterful plan.

BTW Jeff, you're usually spot on, but your last post is as dumb as anything On-Ramp ever wrote.

Is this your way of responding "yes," he knew better, but went and did it anyway? Interesting, I never knew you felt that way, it's a bit harsh, isn't it?

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Sorry to confuse you even more with a typo. It is as I posted in my first post on the subject: "Some exact quote...even Bush knows that "corps" is not spelled "core"". Look up "corps " and you will see that it is pronounced the same as core. Clearly from the usage, the word used was corps, not core.

Gosh fin, if someone else would have used a typo as an excuse you would have accused them of "lying" or "taking it out of context" or some other such drivel.

But even if we allow you a free pass on your mis-spelling of a word you put in a quote...you remain incorrect in saying that they are pronounced the same since they most certainly are not.

If you will check with your local word book you might notice that "core" is pronounced phonetically as "kor" while the word "corps" is pronounced phonetically "korz" per the resident Webster I'm looking at.

So, do you plead another typo on that also?

I would guess that a linguistic expert like Mr. Bush was unaware of the correct pronunciation of "corps" and that what he said was the correct pronunciation of "core" at the debate and that's why it's listed exactly that way. Probably a result of that inferior Yale education his dad paid for!

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Actually this thread is a corpse.

I can see why you might feel that way...on your unending journey toward boxing yourself into a corner of no escape.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by MRM

You notice that for all his drunken babbling, WWB didn't deny being Pat or Red UFO or a poster hired by Wayne to adopt those identities?

I always wonder at goobers whose first thought is that someone is using an alias. Using an alias on a silly internet board is just about the dumbest damn thing that I can imagine. The only thing that I can deduce why someone might say that is because they are so simple minded that they have tried it themselves. What say you MRM?

BTW, my #2 son had a position with Pillsbury at their corporate HQ prior to them being bought by General Mills. (his office had a nice view looking down on the ugly stadium where the Packers beat up the Vikes this year) When he was relocating the local person assisting with move suggested that Edina, Eden Prairie (which he choose) and Roseville were all good areas...except that Roseville had an unusually large percentage of goofballs. Not sure why...........................but maybe MRM knows.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

If this was about a blowjob or a stained blue dress, suddenly it would be relevant to the same people that consider it irrelevant that a person (1) steals an election, (2) leads a nation to war under false pretenses, (3) capitalizes on the death/suffering of thousands for political gain, (4) lies about "nation building", (5) lies about taking serious action against anyone caught exposing the identity of undercover CIA agents, (6) drives the national debt up to criminal levels, . . .

(should I continue? Is there really a need?)

It's hilarious how the goose-stepping mindless party drones will "stand by their man" with such fanaticism. They're ultimately cut from the same cloth as Hillary Clinton.

Now wait just a damn sec there Porsche-O-P...just because YOU in your infinite wisdom think that 28,000 Americans maimed or killed in a phony war entered into for false reasons and by exagerration is more important that some clown lying about getting a blow-job is your own problem. Some folks DO have their standards and morals you know.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by cool_chick

So Bush KNEW BETTER yet went and did it anyway?

Yeah, but does consider himself patriotic and says "God bless America" better than most bible-belt preachers.

[Rearden]

Come on people, stop feeding the trolls.

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

[Moneyguy1]

Even trolls need love this time of year........

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by RoninLB

The Insanity of Bush Hatred
Our politics suffer when passions overcome reason and vitriol becomes virtue.

BY PETER BERKOWITZ
November 14, 2007
Mr. Berkowitz is a senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution and a professor at George Mason University School of Law.

Hating the president is almost as old as the republic itself. The people, or various factions among them, have indulged in Clinton hatred, Reagan hatred, Nixon hatred, LBJ hatred, FDR hatred, Lincoln hatred, and John Adams hatred, to mention only the more extravagant hatreds that we Americans have conceived for our presidents.

But Bush hatred is different.........

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010861

I agree 100% (I HATE vitriol! )

What I've perceived in my brief foray into the political posts on this forum is that they happen to be predominantly right wing Republican and that those who post anything questioning or contra to Conservative belief/rhetoric/dogma are labeled Bush haters, Bush bashers (is there some fine distinction to be made between the two?), Commies, Socialists, unpatriotic, etc. and that there is consequently a paucity of genuine discussion or debate but rather a proliferation of angry rants (including Clinton bashing from the right) accompanied by a lot of arduous cutting and pasting of material and links which, rather than being used to bolster the poster's position, are used as walls to block rather than encourage discussion.

I read the Berkowitz opinion and, while he makes some intelligent points, they apply to both the left and the right and his attribution of vitriolic behavior specifically to those who are to the left of center imply that such vitriol is exclusively left wing behavior, which opinion I find unconscionable.

Judging from his perspective I'd guess that he's a staunch right wing Republican (for those to whom it may not be clear, my guess is not intended as “bashing”). I perceive his opinion as considerably less intellectually analytical than political.

Originally Posted by Rearden

Come on people, stop feeding the trolls.

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

Speaking of trolls:

"To get the conversation rolling at that D.C. dinner--and perhaps mischievously--I wondered aloud whether Bush hatred had not made rational discussion of politics in Washington all but impossible." Peter Berkowitz.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by DARISC

Geez - I'm thinking that about yours! Jeff's struck me "spot on".

How these Bush backing fools can imply that Clinton knew (years earlier) what Bush did immediately prior to invading Iraq is incredible. Are they not reading or simply ignoring all the info that has recently been revealed by the Brits and former members of Bush's own inner circle regarding Team Bush's desire to manipulate the intel about Iraq prior to our stupid invasion?

Also, what the hell IS the statue of limitiations for the "blame Bill" defense that these goobers seem to rely upon? I wonder if when the next prez takes office and fuks up that they will immediately point to lil Geo like they have at Slick Willy for the past 7 damn years!!! Idiots.

No wonder that they voted for a guy who said that Social Security was not a federal program and that Africa was a nation! (and yes fin, Rick, Ronin, and MRM.....those statements by our glorious CIC are documented and he did say them)

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by WI wide body

...
But even if we allow you a free pass on your mis-spelling of a word you put in a quote...

Where exactly did I do that?

[Moneyguy1]

The responses are becoming so predictable.......

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by WI wide body

...you remain incorrect in saying that they are pronounced the same since they most certainly are not.

If you will check with your local word book you might notice that "core" is pronounced phonetically as "kor" while the word "corps" is pronounced phonetically "korz" per the resident Webster I'm looking at.

So, do you plead another typo on that also?

I would guess that a linguistic expert like Mr. Bush was unaware of the correct pronunciation of "corps" and that what he said was the correct pronunciation of "core" at the debate and that's why it's listed exactly that way. Probably a result of that inferior Yale education his dad paid for!

I hate to break it to you, but the President seems to be a bit better educated than you. Not only do you not know how to pronounce simple words...but apparently you do not know how to use a dictionary either. According to Webster...and everyone else in the English speaking world...except you...the pronunciation of the singular corps is: \ˈkȯr\ the plural version is \ˈkȯrz\ .

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by WI wide body

... Probably a result of that inferior Yale education his dad paid for!

I have seen you slam the education provided at Harvard and Yale several times here and wonder just where you received your superior education.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

I won't disagree with a liberal bias in the MSM, but at least their business model is based on reporting news. Fox and republican talk radio's business model is based on selling you junk made in China, timeshares, kitchen cabinets, etc.

You just don't hear Anderson Cooper or Brian Williams endorsing sleep number beds as the best thing they've ever slept on...

So the only news shows on TV and radio with commercials are conservative ones?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

my apologies, I don't understand what you are saying.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

my apologies, I don't understand what you are saying.

Nor do I.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by Moneyguy1

The responses are becoming so predictable.......

Sadly, yes they are.

Originally Posted by WI wide body

How these Bush backing fools can imply that Clinton knew (years earlier)......prior to our stupid invasion?

Also, what the hell IS ......past 7 damn years!!! Idiots.

Wisco my friend, someone (I forget who) on Pelican has in his signature "Arguing on the internet is like hollering into space". Cdr. Fintstone is winning here because, in your informed enthusiasm, it perhaps hasn't yet dawned on you that that vacuous space ofttimes also exists between two ears and all your hollering is for naught.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT!

[frogger]

Originally Posted by DARISC

Sadly, yes they are.



MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT!

Are you channeling our own Mr. Rainbow (Byron)?

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas.