Pathological Liars
 

I've known a number of women who were bona fide Pathological Liars - meaning they could not stop lying even though it was clearly and repeatedly self destructive. Oddly enough, nearly all of the pathological liars I have known have been strippers. If you can figure that one out, let me know. Anyway, I have noticed that the stories they tell all seem to sound very familiar - stories of wealth, status, "connections" (especially to rock stars), beauty (like modeling and/or appearing in Playboy) and also crime, abuse, kidnapping, rape etc etc. In short, they described their lives as though they lived in a hyper-melodramatic romance novel or soap opera. Anyway, I saw the article below describing a woman who lives in the town next to mine. Her stories ring VERY familiar to me. I've heard variations on the same themes from numerous other women again and again and again. So I present it as a warning. If your new and wonderful g/f sounds anything remotely like this, RUN FOREST RUN.

http://www.telegram.com/article/20070701/COLUMN01/70701002/

'Outright lies' lead to request for a divorce

...Michael P. is seeking to annul his Las Vegas marriage to his bride of five months. In his complaint, the Westboro man claims that his wife induced him into marriage "through a series of elaborately constructed gross misrepresentations and outright lies about her background, financial status, employment history, marital history, criminal background, family background and her very strong connections to the entertainment community in California."


That doesn't even begin to cover the complaints of poor Mr. P., whose full name I'm withholding because the guy has been through enough.

In a cautionary tale of the pitfalls of online dating, Mr. P. said he met Crystal P. through an Internet dating service last fall, when she told him that she had moved to Massachusetts from California to escape the "fast life," and that she was very "in" with the entertainment crowd.

He says she told him on their first date that she was a registered nurse, had won a powerball lottery, was the niece of the guitarist for Motley Crue, had at one time posed for Playboy, and that her ex-husband was in prison for kidnapping her and locking her in a trunk.

In later meetings, she claimed to have worked as a multilingual interpreter in Washington and as a negotiator for the Los Angeles Police Department, where she once saved a man who threatened to jump off a bridge, according to court papers.

For some reason, the relationship progressed. One day over lunch, after Mr. P. revealed that his favorite band was "Rush," Crystal confided that the lead guitarist had been her best friend for 30 years.

"Michael was initially skeptical of her claim but, as with most of the lies Crystal told, the conviction, emotion and the detail with which she expressed them made Michael believe her," according to the complaint filed by Mr. P.'s lawyer, Jonathan E. Fields of Wellesley.

She also told him that she was once engaged to the son of Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, who was also friendly with Alex Lifeson, lead singer of Rush, and that the three had been inseparable until a tragic bungee jumping accident in California killed her fiance.

"Shortly thereafter, Crystal confided in Michael a huge secret," according to the complaint. "She claimed to be the illegitimate child of John Lennon and Janis Joplin." Oh, yeah, and Steve Tyler from Aerosmith was her godfather.

At some point, she claimed that a man she was instant messaging was Mr. Lifeson, and she pretended to hook him up with Mr. P. on the Internet, according to papers. Mr. P. also "spoke" to actresses Liv Tyler, Diane Lane and other celebrities. On Feb. 12 of this year, one day before they got married, Mr. P. received an e-mail from "Alex" that indicated Crystal was financially well-off and receiving large checks from his band.

"It has since become apparent to Michael that, contrary to her extravagant claims, Crystal's financial resources are as limited as her alleged contacts in the entertainment industry," says the complaint, which also claims that she concealed a criminal record and had scammed a former boyfriend.

Their marriage has since faltered, and Crystal is now falsely claiming she is pregnant, according to the complaint.

"More recently, the claim has escalated - Crystal now says she is pregnant with triplets," says the complaint. "In fact, according to information received from University of Massachusetts Medical Center in Worcester, she is not pregnant."

Crystal now reportedly lives in Ashland, but could not be reached. The complaint alleges that she exploited Mr. P.'s good nature and "perhaps his gullibility" for financial gain, and that the marriage is void "by reason of her insanity."

Alex Lifeson is not the lead singer of Rush, he's the guitarist. And a damn good one too. Geddy Lee is the singer.

The guy should have had the sense to dump her simply for getting that one wrong. Idiot.

I bet if you asked Michael P, this was the best sex he's ever had in his life!
Crazy beeyatch's rock in the sack!

The guy bought all that?!?

Even this??

"Shortly thereafter, Crystal confided in Michael a huge secret," according to the complaint. "She claimed to be the illegitimate child of John Lennon and Janis Joplin." Oh, yeah, and Steve Tyler from Aerosmith was her godfather."

Is there such a things as pathologically gullible?

Concur. Any real Rush fan would have known she was full of it right away. And she would also have probably mentioned she knew Alex by his real name, which is not Lifeson.

That husband is moron. He must have desparate for sex to overlook the pegged BS meter.

Janus, are you saying that you mostly hook up with strippers? :)

Patrick, you are 100000000% correct. I bet she is A. Smoking hot and B. an animal in bed.

Women lie????? I have never heard of these kinds of women!!

Please tell me more.

My father was a pathological liar. He claimed to have a Masters from U of I and a PhD from University of Chicago. I've since discovered that both are were lies. He claimed to do government work, know lots of celebrities and so on. All lies.

A high school friend that I ended up going to college with was a major pathological liar too. She once called me up and told me that she was scared of a male friend of ours and that she needed me to talk to him for her. I called the guy up and he started laughing. She had called him and told him the same thing about me.

When I started dating my now-wife, she started spreading rumors amongst our friends that I was a coke-head (never touched the stuff) and that my wife was trying to get pregnant by me. (This was a week or two into our dating and we hadn't even done the deed yet.) When I called her on it, she moved to Colorado--that day--and I never heard from her again.

My take is that pathological liars don't really like their lives and like to invent problems to make their lives more exciting and to attract the attention to them that they so desperately seek. In high school, I noticed that I had a propensity to lie for these same reasons. Being the introspective fellow that I am, I resolved to stop. I didn't like the feeling of getting caught lying.

That last sentence was my first thought after reading the previous 2 paragraphs.

Those women are unbelieveably hot in bed. And they make a great breakfast in the morning... or so I've heard.

I've been wanting to meet a mute. Can you hook me up with one of your's?

I think that is an error on the part of the journalist. Notice the story is originally that Crystal was best buddies with the guitarist and then the story is that she is "inseparable" from the singer (but with the guitarist's name). I think the journalist got it confused.

The one about being Janis Joplin's love child is more insane than any I've ever heard (although not by much) and may have been the one that tipped off Mr P that something was very wrong. Most of the rest of the stories were at least possible (if improbable) and so the natural instinct in good hearted people is to trust.

Oh man. I wish I could post in this thread. The stories...

I don't see what is stopping you...

I have a friend who dated a girl like that and yes she was a stripper. She was a freak! I heard many of her lies, but only one thing stands out. "Get a cucumber" buddy....."Why? Are we going to make a salad?" LMAO!! Just one of those classics you never forget.

Heheh be thankful.

My cousin was one. She blew back into town at one point (some 25 years ago) and told everyone she was pregnant and had a boyfriend. She then told my sister in law that I got her pregnant (fat chance). We then found out from her mom that in fact she had a hysterectomy many years previous (she already had a 10 year old daughter at the time) so she couldn't be pregnant.

She was whack. She blew out of town after her story crumbled and haven't heard from her since.

Just wanted to pull out a few phrases that should have been a clue from the start:

" his Las Vegas marriage "
"met Crystal P. through an Internet dating service "
"was the niece of the guitarist for Motley Crue"

Obviously not all ppl are as blatant as this one. She suckered him, but c'mon it sounds like he must have wanted to BE suckered... Who would believe all this crap?



I've met a few people like this. There is never a simple problem, everything's a huge drama. "We can't make it" turns into "We were on our way when a deer totalled our car (that they are still driving). "I have a cold" is "Possible brian tumors coupled with diabetes, etc." Stories of kidnapping and ransoms, white slavery, etc... All from the same person.

I had a friend in high school like this. A very attractive gal but a TOTAL drama queen/attention whore. She hooked up with a friend of mine who was sort of a male counterpart to her personality, always having to be at the center of every conversation and constantly demanding attention. In a way I guess they were perfect for each other.

Anyway, she eventually broke up with him and tried to win my sympathy by concocting some story about how he'd gotten her pregnant and she'd miscarried and buried the fetus in the woods. Seriously mentally disturbed girl. I have no doubt whatsoever (plus my friend's testimony) that she was outrageous in bed though.

I also have no doubt to this day that she was trying to get my sympathy to drive a wedge between me and my (then) girlfriend at the time to "get back at" my friend by f*cking my brains out. Which, stupid me, was too honorable to let happen. Of course my girlfriend at the time who I was so chivalrous towards eventually ended up cheating on me. Go figure. :rolleyes:. Yea, I was an idiot. I bet it did piss my friend off to no end that I saw through her ruse and her ulterior motive and kept it purely friendship though. I was probably one of the few guys she couldn't control or manipulate and I'm sure it drove her nuts. Heh, heh, heh. . .

Wonder what happened to her. Probably O.D.'d or something by now I guess. . .

The girl that I mentioned above, Karen....

Towards the end of high school and the first year of college I chased her a little. I eventually gave up as I realized that I wasn't going to get anywhere. I completely and totally gave up on her...

One night, she tells me that her roommate (who was the sweetest, nicest girl you would ever meet) was being a b!tch (yeah right) and she couldn't take it anymore. She asks if she can crash in my room. I say sure. Now, having been rebuffed for two solid year, I knew that nothing was going to happen.

She shows up later that night with a six-pack of beer and a bottle of Boonze (her poison of choice). We watch a movie with my roommate and his girlfriend. When its time to go to bed, I offer her the bed and tell her I'll take the floor. I can't remember what she said, but I do know I never slept on the floor nor did I. She basically cuddles around my back and I fall asleep.

I'm woken up to her going to town on my junk. I didn't sleep with her (thankfully--I'd probably have had to deal with 9 months of false "I'm pregnant" stories), but pretty much did everything else. I fall back asleep. She was gone before I woke up in the morning.

Looking back, I don't think she could stand not being the center of my affections. I later learned that she had ruined a lot of potential relationships for me by telling the girl I did coke/I was abusive/I had a criminal record. No wonder I kept striking out the first two years of college!

Women who strip for a liv'n have a distorted sense fo reality - its a survival mechanism. The same can be said for hookers and call girls as well as some lawyers!

If she was the child of John Lennon and Janis, she'd probably have a face that could knock the buzzards off a ***** wagon. This story is almost incredible, how do people as dumb as this guy make it through life?

Whenever a stripper is talking to me, I just assume it is part of their act designed to extract more money...

More and more, i just don't expect to deal with the "truth" when dealing with the female in our species.

Like Jack said in that movie when asked how he writes women so well, "First I take a man, then I remove reason and accountability"

Not just women, guys...I know a man in Portland, a Porsche nut, who fits that bill...why is it that so many liars are also arrogant? Any shrinks reading this thread?

I tried to understand the phenomenon a few years ago with no success. I also heard a really good show about it on NPR. And I learned that men who are pathological liars take on similar forms. The stories are just slightly different. Men, it seems, tend to lie about career success, wealth, advanced degrees and education, and (especially) military service - leaving out the victimization and abuse stories. Do you recall the story of Mark Hacking?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/10/national/main635151.shtml

The couple's crisis started on July 16 when Lori Hacking called the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to inquire about financial aid for her husband, who had told her and everyone else that he would be going to medical school there.

The couple had been planning to move there a few days later. But the 27-year-old woman was told there was no record of him even applying to the medical school. It has since been learned that he had not even graduated from the University of Utah, contrary to what he had led everyone to believe.

The guy shot his wife a few days later. The story was all over the national news for a while.

Makes sense...the guy I have in mind lies in order to pump his ego...loves to be thought of as an "expert", and in many ways he is...his knowledge is vast...mostly gained from reading. But what he doesn't know? He makes up...

One word:

insecurity.

Yep ther are certainily gullible people why U don't even need to look any farther than this....ahhhh..did I even explain the.....ahhh relationship between the macro and micro dynamics of psycho rational behavior...

My brother in law is a pathological liar. He ****ed me over because i trusted him. He knows if he ever comes around me I'll knock his teeth down his ****ing throat! My wife feels the same way!

I don't hang with liars. And I never tell them I know they are liars.

Ah well.

A lot of these people are True Sociopaths. One of the their distinguishing marks is that they are often very very charming, and believable in the sense that they probably believe the lies that they live. I made the mistake of getting involved with a woman like this recently, and although I tolerated her drama queen eruptions, lending my support whenever she needed it which was fairly often...She appealed to my trusting and supportive nature and I supposed I allowed this to happen, though I suspected things were off with her. I should have seen it coming and I will next time. Chalk it up as a learning experience.

Here is something from the web called Profile of a Sociopath:

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

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Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

There have been some on Pelican, too. The usual thing, to claim having been something you're not. And it is realtively easy to check. But as soon as this is brought up, oh, well, you misunderstood. They "worked with", etc, the group. Never mind the fact that they described the operations they were on, tattoos, private part piercings, etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

www.veriseal.org

I dated a smokin' hot little blonde who was a pathological liar once. It sucked- she was gorgeous, and everyone was telling me what a lucky sob I was, but the lying got old real fast. Never did figure out what her deal was- she had probably been getting away with murder since being a kid on account of being so cute. I used to have pictures of her naked, which I would gladly PM to anyone interested, but alas, I threw them out when I got married!

Cheers,

Paul.

These kinds of people are all over the interent. My goodness go to any market related board or room many of them never made a bad trade in their life and live on those boards and in those rooms. Even when you post the "time and sales" data showing their story of riches could not be true they keep on posting away.

The internet can be a scary place with loads of those kinds of people who are emboldened by the anonymity

Thank you! Quite an education...it sure describes the guy I thought abiut in an earlier post.

Hey, I crashed my Jaguar last week. It was so funny.

Oh well, I have a new Carrera GT....

So you are putting hookers, call girls, and lawyers in the same category?

I've finally met a wise man!;)

Yeah, and nearly always they get p!ssed real quick if you question or dissect their BS.