A Bit of Shame

[legion]

Whenever I see a service person in uniform, I usually avert my gaze. It's not because I don't respect them--I do. It's more because I feel that I'm not worthy of looking them eye-to-eye because I never chose to join the military.

Now I don't regret my decisions. I did what I felt was the best for me at various points in my life. I knew I wanted a career in business and that paying off student loans wouldn't be a problem. I've never been particulary interested in being in the military.

I don't regret my decisions, but I do regret that I didn't make different decisions. (Does that make sense?)

[pwd72s]

Thank them for their service, and move on...

[Moneyguy1]

When I was a youngster, one did not have a choice. So, I did volunteer rather than wait to be a ground pounder. Never regretted it. Enjoyed (for the most part) my time in the "Coastal Protective Association" (USCG for the rest of you..Semper Paratus!!)

Legion...if it makes you feel any better, the armed forces teach what appears to be contradictory things: To use your own initiative and to follow legitimate orders without hesitation. Strange world, ain't it?

[legion]

On September 11, 2001 (I was 22), I was fully expecting GWB to give a "sacrifice" speech about the long conflict coming. I was expecting a draft, or at the very least a request for more volunteers. I was prepared to sign up (not sure what branch--was between Marines and Air Force).

That speech never came. A draft never came. A request for more volunteers never came. I went back to my life and forgot about it.

[speeder]

Absolutely. Nothing to be ashamed of unless one talks schit/debases them when they are not around. When I turned 18, in 1977, the military was not a common choice for most of my classmates. A few went in, but not many. It was only a couple years after Viet Nam finally ended, (along with the draft), and no one perceived the U.S. to be under any type of military threat at that time.

None-the-less, I came "this-close" to enlisting in the Navy one year later, but chose to start college instead. If you were a draft-dodger/deserter/traitor or something I could see being ashamed, but not for any other reason. It's a volunteer military now, anyone in uniform chose to serve. Thank them and enjoy your freedom.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by legion

Whenever I see a service person in uniform, I usually avert my gaze. It's not because I don't respect them--I do. It's more because I feel that I'm not worthy of looking them eye-to-eye because I never chose to join the military.

Now I don't regret my decisions. I did what I felt was the best for me at various points in my life. I knew I wanted a career in business and that paying off student loans wouldn't be a problem. I've never been particulary interested in being in the military.

I don't regret my decisions, but I do regret that I didn't make different decisions. (Does that make sense?)

I feel kind of the same way. Whenever I'm in an airport and see a lot of servicefolks in uniform, I'm always hoping to see a lot of them standing in line at Starbuck's so I can just run up to the register, hand the clerk my credit card and tell them I'll pick up the tab for everyone in a uniform. But it hasn't happened. Closest I got was while standing on line at Pat's for cheesesteaks after a VH show, we saw some young servicemen come up to the line. We insistsed they cut in front of us and then insisted on paying their bill. But the lady working the register refused to charge them anyway.

[legion]

I guess part of this is my bro-in-law just re-inlisted. He's a hoser, but I like the guy. He's also 35, but acts 21. (I'm 29 and act 29--I think.)

He did a six-month stint in the Army years ago. He was discharged as "unclassified". From what I gather, he didn't get the MOS he wanted and b!tched about it until he was discharged.

Now he has to do a 7˝ year stint to "make-up" for the 3˝ years he didn't serve originally.

Even though he's full of $h!t, he's still man enough to enlist.

[frogger]

I served, and I respect those that have/are/will serve. I do not respect those that so quickly assume it's fine to send these fine young people to foreign lands to fight elective wars or "police actions." Some people are just too cavalier when they throw out the phrase "protecting America's interests." I'd rather we just stuck with protecting America, period. Just my 2 cents.

[Overpaid Slacker]

Similar feelings -- I was one signature away (literally) from flying for the Navy, which I'd wanted to do for just about ever. My father and all uncles on both sides of my immediate family had served, and it was something I was just going to do... then I had a couple of unique opportunities come up and weighed where I might be 10 years later if I was flying vs. if I'd taken the other options.

I don't regret the choice, I'm not ashamed for not having served my country, but I envy and respect those that do.

There have been a few times I've sent drinks to men and women in uniform standing around some bar -- but I've done it anonymously. I'd rather they believe that it could be ANYone in the bar, rather than knowing it was me.

Syracuse is reasonably close to Fort Drum (10th Mountain) and I have many friends and acquaintances stationed there, active and reserve. A group getting ready to mobilize to Afghanistan (most of whom have already done a stint in Iraq) next week stopped in at my favorite ginmill over the holidays. I shook each one of their hands, looked them in the eye and said 'thank you' and bought a round - because I knew 3 of them and wanted to do the drink with them, I wasn't anonymous.

JP

[frogger]

Have ANY of you hawks served?

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by frogger

Have ANY of you hawks served?

Nope, anyone that served thinks just like you.

What a douche. Oh and thanks for your service

[stomachmonkey]

I go out of my way to extend them a hand and thank them for their service.

If I can pick up their tab I will gladly do it.

I disagree with why they are there but I appreciate what they do and the personal/financial sacrifices that they make on my behalf.

I come from a military family and was raised in the service.

Went to sign up and it was my father, the 20 year career guy and vet of Korea and Vietnam that talked me out of it.

[frogger]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

What a douche.

I guess I should be bothered by this, but, at least you didn't call me a turd sandwich.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Post 9/11 I actually talked to a couple of recruiters. I was 30 then, so only one branch (Coast Guard) was interested in talking to me, never mind that at the time I was actively flying as a commercial pilot with over 1,000 hours in the book. I desperately wanted to do something and I respect the hell out of the men and women with the same passion and ambition, who happened to not have their birth date preclude them from enlisting.

Now, seeing how this administration has spit on their dedication and willingness to sacrifice on a useless crusade in Iraq, I'm very happy my fate ended up going another direction. I still respect our service personnel, but I have NO respect for this administration's proven willingness (and desire) to use them as pawns or as a blunt instrument.

I hope they get home soon. All of them. Where they can get back to the job of DEFENDING our country - not destroying other countries.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

I hope they get home soon. All of them. Where they can get back to the job of DEFENDING our country - not destroying other countries.

Why do you ruin so many of your good posts with some non-sensical insult at the end? We have literally flattened other countries in real defense of our own. Iraq hasn't seen anything like that. Have we nuked or carpet bombed entire cities there? Have we really destroyed Iraq? You gotta be kidding me. You know better than the stuff you write.

[stevepaa]

Each to his own calling. I respect miliary, police, firemen, nurses, teachers, peace corps, etc. Each has "served".

I was in ROTC but got a 4F due to medical condition. My dad, a WW2 vet, did not want me to get into the Vietnam war which I was supporting at that time. My parents were relieved when I got the 4F. I had other friends who continued on to regular Army.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

How exactly did invading Iraq "defend the United States" then, exactly. Please be specific.

*sound of crickets chirping*

That quagmire is an affront to the honorable men and women that put on uniforms. We've accomplished nothing substantial there except blowing up a lot of stuff and installing a puppet government that will likely fail a month after we leave.

Oh, and oil is still $100 a barrel.

[911Rob]

My wife and I make a habit of saying "Thank-you" to them, usually my wife wells up with tears too. We have Veteran license plates here too; we always give a thanking wave.

Being in the military is a very special calling; I wasn't blessed with the calling either, but my brother has now served over 25 years of his life. He just accepted a post with the UN in India for the next 3 years.

Look 'em in the eye and say thanks.
Cheers,

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

How exactly did invading Iraq "defend the United States" then, exactly. Please be specific.

*sound of crickets chirping*

That quagmire is an affront to the honorable men and women that put on uniforms. We've accomplished nothing substantial there except blowing up a lot of stuff and installing a puppet government that will likely fail a month after we leave.

Oh, and oil is still $100 a barrel.

No crickets at all. It's been explained here ad nauseum. That you disagree with the reasons, or that those reasons contradict what you want to believe, does not mean it was not in defense of nat. security interests.

And the fact that oil has only gotten more expensive should convince folks that Iraq was not about oil. Americans' own sense of entitlement has been a far greater cause in gas price spikes than world events.

[Moneyguy1]

Rick:

Most of your arguments I can buy into or at least understand, but the cost of oil is one I cannot. It is, at least to me, a whole bunch of miscalculations and goof-ups that contribute to the proice of crude (yes, and I understand the world-wide increasing demand factor). I seem to recall that Iraqi oil was to pay for the war. Or is my memory failing me due to advanced years?