Worth a Read, even if you don't agree...

[M.D. Holloway]

Something I got today

John Glenn said...

TAKE A MINUTE OR TWO TO READ...........

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.

When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:


a. FDR led us into World War II.

b.Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost an average of 112,500 per year.


c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost an average of 18,334 per year.


d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.


e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost .. an average of 5,800 per year.


f.Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us . He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudanand did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.



In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran , and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.

But Wait

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to takeIraqthan it took to count the votes inFlorida!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB !

The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts

But wait! There's more!

JOHN GLENN (on the Senate floor -January 26, 2004) Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.

This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):

'How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?'

Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):

'I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.

I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank.'

'I ask you to go with me .. . as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men ... with their mangled bodies in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!

You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job.

You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in ArlingtonNationalCemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags.

You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

What about you?'

For those who don't remember During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he's a Senator!

If you can read this, thank a teacher.

If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran

[gprsh924]

Agree almost completely

[Super_Dave_D]

I agree with most except this - FDR may have led us there BUT Germany and Italy declared war on the US December 11th.


a. FDR led us into World War II.

b.Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost an average of 112,500 per year.

[Tim Hancock]

Pretty much sums up how I feel about it.

[NICKG]

but that won't be taught to any children..cause the truth doesn't fit in with the pc life now

[Rick Lee]

An oldie, but goodie. Since today in Jan. 15th, this thing needs to be dated.

[widebody911]

2005 called, they want their glurge back...

[nostatic]

yeah, we "took" Iraq pretty quickly. It will take decades for use to give it back though...

[frogger]

Originally Posted by nostatic

yeah, we "took" Iraq pretty quickly. It will take decades for use to give it back though...

But in the meantime, we're making out like bandits by exploiting their oil.

[cmccuist]

We still have troops in Korea. We had/have troops in Germany, Japan, Cuba, the Phillipines... It's hard to leave a country once you get in there and (depending on your political slant) contribute to the freedom of/oppress and ruin said country.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

oh man, I can't believe what some people believe.

For the record, Glenn (not a senator yet) ran against Metzenbaum in 70 and lost, then ran again in 74 and won the Democratic nomination and was subsequently re-elected to be Ohio's first 4-term senator. Yes he was a Democrat for the record.

In the 74 primary, Metzenbaum never said 'How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?'

Instead he said that Glenn "had never met a payroll" which was more about civilian leadership, much the same way Rudy and Governors parade about their Management experience versus running senators saying they've never managed a budget, etc.

I'm guessing this email spam came through before some Nigerian needing your help and right after cheap Viagra.




Lastly, I'm not so sure it's a great argument to say how everyone in the past screwed up, so it's OK for our guy to screw up too. Team Bush had 50 years of history and experience to guide them in the right direction. Instead they followed Johnson's/McNamara's playbook to the letter.

[charleskieffner]

never see that in the "ARIZONA REPUBLIC" newspaper or on any news channel. historically correct,timelines correct, witnesses, pictures to document, all the pertinent facts.


NOPE makes much too much sense to let the public know!

[Superman]

I appreciate our military as much as anybody. From my perspective, the military option is very interesting, and unique and specific. First, it is widely considered to be a sign of failure when a political figure finds he must invoke the military option. I agree with that.

Second, the military option is very narrow. Troops should not be expected to build nations or improve a nation's reputation. Politics should be done by politicians. Troops have a very narrow application. Even asking them to defend a piece of real estate is dicey. The thing troops are uniquely good it is capturing real estate. That was their job in WW2. Not in Iraq, though. The situation in Iraq is not a particularly neat and clean application for military muscle.

If you're looking for an organization that will reduce hatred, or instill peace.....the military is not the ideal organization for that.

No, the Taliban has not been crushed and Al Queda has not been crippled. Indeed, some believe their causes have been helped by our decision to pretend this is a military opportunity.

If the Iraq matter, and terrorism, were sufficiently similar to our agenda in WW2, I would agree with stuff like what is written above. It is not. Dubya's dad understood the military option. He gave Schwartzcopf a very simple mandate, and then he got out of the way and let the military handle it in whatever ways they deemed appropriate. The mandate was to capture a bit of real estate. Perfect. Dubya's mandate is not similar, and his interference does not help.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

oh man, I can't believe what some people believe.

For the record, Glenn (not a senator yet) ran against Metzenbaum in 70 and lost, then ran again in 74 and won the Democratic nomination and was subsequently re-elected to be Ohio's first 4-term senator. Yes he was a Democrat for the record.

In the 74 primary, Metzenbaum never said 'How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?'

Instead he said that Glenn "had never met a payroll" which was more about civilian leadership, much the same way Rudy and Governors parade about their Management experience versus running senators saying they've never managed a budget, etc.

I'm guessing this email spam came through before some Nigerian needing your help and right after cheap Viagra.




Lastly, I'm not so sure it's a great argument to say how everyone in the past screwed up, so it's OK for our guy to screw up too. Team Bush had 50 years of history and experience to guide them in the right direction. Instead they followed Johnson's/McNamara's playbook to the letter.

Snopes.com says it's TRUE but of course you know better than they do.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

[stevepaa]

a bunch of nonsensical unrelated events, mix with a little falsehood and it somehow adds up to something??

guess this is why Bush got elected twice.

[stevepaa]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Snopes.com says it's TRUE but of course you know better than they do.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

uh no, the quote is not correct per SNOPES.

[nostatic]

well, close reading and analysis are over-rated:

Metzenbaum's comment was widely publicized and interpreted by many including Glenn himself as a slam that Glenn had "never held a (real) job" (even though Metzenbaum hadn't actually used those words), and Glenn went into the Cleveland debate a few days later well-prepared to answer the charges. Although Metzenbaum didn't raise the "job" issue during the debate, Glenn nonetheless seized the opportunity to launch into his carefully-crafted "I have held a job" retort, invoking stirring images of motherhood, sacrifice, and patriotism. Although it was a rehearsed speech rather than the impromptu response legend has since made it out to be, Glenn's stinging rebuke to Metzenbaum was a masterful stroke that swung momentum in his favor. He bested Metzenbaum by 8 percentage points in the primary and was elected to the U.S. Senate in the general election, carrying all 88 counties in Ohio in the process.

[SLO-BOB]

I'm sure the liberal opposition could concoct an equally convincing, equally skewed, and polar opposite diatribe. As usual, the truth probably is found somewhere in between.

Also - I don't think GW would quickly justify his war based on Viet Nam or Bosnia. He's smarter than that.

[legion]

Originally Posted by Superman

I appreciate our military as much as anybody. From my perspective, the military option is very interesting, and unique and specific. First, it is widely considered to be a sign of failure when a political figure finds he must invoke the military option. I agree with that.

Whose failure? The side that pretended to "negotiate" for a dozen years, or the side that naively thought negotiation was possible?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Snopes.com says it's TRUE but of course you know better than they do.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

Try again friend.

it must really bug you that John Glenn, a truly unimpeachable American hero, is a Democrat.

You guys like to put up the "shiny beautiful" women of the Republican party pic against the photoshopped women of substance of the Democratic party.

Well here we have Democrat John Glenn, Marine, Test Pilot, Astronaut, Hero up against George Bush, Guard pilot-wannabe who didn't even serve his time, safe on the homefront, who has done more damage to this country than any other sitting President in history.