How many engineers?

[FOG]

Danimal,

I really haven’t used my ME all that much though it has helped in aircraft mishap investigations and even more useful in GWOT/CA/CSS type stuff. The latter would have been better served with a CE vice ME but no real practical work since leaving college.

Had a good chance a TPS at one point and talked to a couple of bubbas that went that route, decided I preferred the tactical/operational side of the house.

Don’t know if you have the same Admiral running the SEABEES over there as in 04/05 but if it is he is a hell of a leader.

Talking to USMC engineers there are no MOSs like the SEEBEES where a PE is required and thus encouraged. Speaking personally, not for the USMC or the government, I think it would behoove the country as a whole to get a path towards PE for these individuals.

Fall of 06 I was supposed to down to Austin to speak engineering seniors about becoming a Marine officer and the importance having an engineering degree. This was to be a own hall type affair with the other services represented. When I went over my proposed presentation that leadership, ability to command and people skills were far more important than basic engineering skills they found someone else.

S/F, FOG

[tubbedf100]

Originally Posted by PBH

And I fixed your spelling errors, part of a 'full service' engineers job description.

I appreciate that. I did not realize spelling was part of this discussion.

[RWebb]

I'm sorry to hear about you r problems with the classes.

'"those that can't do, teach" applies to engineering professors. At least for the tenured full-time professors.'

That has not been my experience. I've always found the engineering faculty to be very helpful (and I have taken eng. heat transfer classes + other interactions as a grad. student & faculty + I went to an eng. school (Crass Western Perverse) as an undergrad.).

For the full profs. I can tell you one thing - by that time they have perhaps been so over-worked that they are like old, worn out draught horses. We used to make fun of them as "dead-wood" but after further experience, I don't blame any of them for getting burned out.

[FOG]

Actually the ME chair Dr. Kriner helped keep me in the program when I was getting fed up. Good man to BS with over coffee and matzo (sp?) crackers. It was evident he had issues in dealing with the faculty as well.

If you don’t have the patience to teach then you shouldn’t do it. I’ve been told by peers they are surprised at my temperament and ability to teach, I let the students get further out on the limb before coaching them back in while laughing vice getting mad. At the same time I have been considered one of if not the hardest graders, just not a yeller.

I think that’s one of the key’s, to recognize where the students are making mistakes and letting them in such a way that they can self correct/teach while allowing all to laugh about it later. The other aspect is presenting yourself, the teacher, as the minimum acceptable standard and honestly believing that your students will surpass you through both of your efforts.

S/F, FOG

[RWebb]

Yup - recognize that in the university system, they are NOT hired to teach. They are hired to do research (or to bring in grant money so the Dean can take half to put up new panelling in his office...).

At CSU tho, the main job IS teaching.

If angry, you can take solace in the fact that faculty pay is quite poor....

[Porsche_monkey]

Originally Posted by tubbedf100

I appreciate that. I did not realize spelling was part of this discussion.

If it's any consolation they were picked up by the spellcheck function, I didn't even notice that you had made errors.