Collector car values

[tonypeoni]

After watching Barrett-Jackson this year I was curious how low production some of these "rare" cars are. Take a 1968 camaro its amazing how a car thats made in such large numbers can be considerd a rare collector car. Like wise look the the number 1979 930s. Chevrolet made fully 100 Xs the 1967 Camaros that Porsche made 1979 930s.




1967 Camaro Production Numbers
Price
Coupe
160,648
$2,572
Convertible
25,141
$2,809
Z28
602
$358.10
RS
64,842
$105.35
SS
34,411
$210.65-$500.30
Pace Car
104
N/A

TOTALS =
220,906


1979 930s

RoW 820

Japan 32

U.S. 1200

Total 2052

[kmhemi]

was this an ordinary 68 camaro or 1968 Z28
DZ302
302 Z motor
only avail 67,8 and 9

Check 70-71 Hemi Cudas and 70 -71 Hemi Challengers

It really depends on how the particular car was optioned.
It looks like muscle cars have peaked. I should have sold some of mine.
If you have a 930 I'd keep it

[tonypeoni]

Yes but Im sure if you dug deep enough you'd find many Special Wishes program porsches. I think Barret-Jackson is grossly inflating the market here.

[pwd72s]

Barrett Jackson is a carnival show. Those bidding enjoy overpaying in exchange for TV exposure, since many of them have mucho dinero...

However, it still is supply AND demand. Rarity hasn't as much to do with it as demand. Lots of cars built in low numbers that people don't want.

[strupgolf]

You probably saw a 1967 Camaro Z-28, of which only 602 were produced. A very rare car indeed. I haven't seen one for sale for years. Now, 1968 was another story, somewhere around 8,000 Z-28's were built. In 1969, somewhere around 19,000 built. With Barrett-Jackson, if a car came without a radio, it is considered ULTRA RARE. So what, you could take the radio out and buy a cover plate at GM for 1.95. It's a circus.

[the]

It's all still just supply and demand. There may have been thousands of Camaros made (although how many still exist??), but there are also thousands and thousands of 50-somethings with money to spend who want to re-live their youth of the late 60s and early 70s.

'79 930? Of course they have their fans, but the late 70s 930 fan club probably is 100X smaller than the '60's Camaro fan club.

[Tobra]

Those early Z-28's were great cars, knew a guy with a '68

[pavulon]

A friend down the street has a '69 Z/28 w/ 40K miles and is...uhhh (looking for right word here) "remanufacturing" a completely clapped-out genuine JL8 (4-wheel disc brake) car. The guy quotes part numbers like bible verses.

[onewhippedpuppy]

BJ's is a joke, they have managed to artificially inflate the market for muscle cars. But just like all of the collector car bubbles, this one will also pop.

[NICKG]

also consider that in the 60's, you bought options ala carte...most cars since the 70's were packaged options. Ala Carte means that even if they biul a gazillion..you might have the ONLY one that has THAT combo of options. Thus it is RARE
consider a 04-06 GTO, a common car you'd think right? less than 30k made total.
another
Buick Grand National 82-87 productuion (no 83) less than 40k made and only 20k of the good ones (86/87)

[onewhippedpuppy]

Probably more telling than how many were made is how many REMAIN. 40 years later, after accidents, drag racing, old age, and rust, I'd venture to guess that there's a very small percentage of those cars that are in good condition or restorable.

[pavulon]

Dynacorn has begun manufacturing steel early camaro, mustang and pick-up bodies again...kinda cool but must make a purist's skin crawl.

[tonypeoni]

Just to clarify when I said 220,906 that was just for the 1967 model year


Year Total Prod.

1967 220,917

1968 235,151

1969* 243,095


Grand total of 699163

http://www.digitaldorks.com/jim/production.asp

[VINMAN]

Whats really sad, is that the "clone" cars are fetching just as much as the genuine ones by the Barret Jerkson crowd.

I agree with Onewhipped. I'm sure mabye only a tenth of these cars are still around.

[2.7RACER]

I'll contact the Barrett Jackson people and let them know you do not approve of what they are doing.
Also the 280,000 paid admissions.
I'm sure based upon your little opinion they will shut down and go away.
Get a life.

[hytem]

The only problem with a collector car is you can't drive it.

[tonypeoni]

Originally Posted by 2.7RACER

I'll contact the Barrett Jackson people and let them know you do not approve of what they are doing.
Also the 280,000 paid admissions.
I'm sure based upon your little opinion they will shut down and go away.
Get a life.

Sounds like someone doesn't like a spade being called a spade

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by the

It's all still just supply and demand. There may have been thousands of Camaros made (although how many still exist??), but there are also thousands and thousands of 50-somethings with money to spend who want to re-live their youth of the late 60s and early 70s.

'79 930? Of course they have their fans, but the late 70s 930 fan club probably is 100X smaller than the '60's Camaro fan club.

You said it! I have absolutely no interest in owning a '79 930...but the right Z-28? Or 'Cuda, Challenger, or GTO? Yep, I'd be tempted...memories, nostalgia, etc.

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by 2.7RACER

I'll contact the Barrett Jackson people and let them know you do not approve of what they are doing.
Also the 280,000 paid admissions.
I'm sure based upon your little opinion they will shut down and go away.
Get a life.

B/J shareholder??

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by 2.7RACER

I'll contact the Barrett Jackson people and let them know you do not approve of what they are doing.
Also the 280,000 paid admissions.
I'm sure based upon your little opinion they will shut down and go away.
Get a life.

Craig Jackson?! Is that you?

I have no issue with what they are doing. Hell, strike while the iron is hot. However, it will eventually correct. Cars that aren't that rare or special are getting six figures, and the TV coverage only stokes the flames. Much like the '80s sports car bubble, where Ferraris that sold for $2M are today worth $200k.