Claim: Sun gets "quiet"

[kstar]

I know, another climate change thread.

And more from the folks who think a massive fusion machine, which accounts for about 99.9% of our solar system's mass and is about 93M miles away, may have more of an impact on Earth than we do . . .

Even if every one of these scientists were getting a billion dollars a piece from the oil companies, is it too difficult to comprehend that the sun may have profound effects on Earth's climate?

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The Sun Also Sets

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore's mythical "consensus." Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV — the sun.

Back in 1991, before Al Gore first shouted that the Earth was in the balance, the Danish Meteorological Institute released a study using data that went back centuries that showed that global temperatures closely tracked solar cycles.
To many, those data were convincing. Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth's climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.

And they're worried about global cooling, not warming.

Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.

Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.

Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.

This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.

Tapping reports no change in the sun's magnetic field so far this cycle and warns that if the sun remains quiet for another year or two, it may indicate a repeat of that period of drastic cooling of the Earth, bringing massive snowfall and severe weather to the Northern Hemisphere.

Tapping oversees the operation of a 60-year-old radio telescope that he calls a "stethoscope for the sun." But he and his colleagues need better equipment.
In Canada, where radio-telescopic monitoring of the sun has been conducted since the end of World War II, a new instrument, the next-generation solar flux monitor, could measure the sun's emissions more rapidly and accurately.
As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth's climate over time has been the sun.

For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over the last 100 years.

R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada's Carleton University, says that "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on long, medium and even short time scales."

Rather, he says, "I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of energy on this planet."

Patterson, sharing Tapping's concern, says: "Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth."

"Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again," Patterson says. "If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than 'global warming' would have had."

In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov made some waves — and not a few enemies in the global warming "community" — by predicting that the sun would reach a peak of activity about three years from now, to be accompanied by "dramatic changes" in temperatures.

A Hoover Institution Study a few years back examined historical data and came to a similar conclusion.

"The effects of solar activity and volcanoes are impossible to miss. Temperatures fluctuated exactly as expected, and the pattern was so clear that, statistically, the odds of the correlation existing by chance were one in 100," according to Hoover fellow Bruce Berkowitz.

The study says that "try as we might, we simply could not find any relationship between industrial activity, energy consumption and changes in global temperatures."

The study concludes that if you shut down all the world's power plants and factories, "there would not be much effect on temperatures."
But if the sun shuts down, we've got a problem. It is the sun, not the Earth, that's hanging in the balance.

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Source: http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175

[nostatic]

[onewhippedpuppy]

You mean humans don't control the Earth, and there are forces at work here with more power than us?! Blasphemy.......

The arrogance of humans never ceases to amaze me. Especially loudmouth, washed up presidential candidates who twist science to fit their own agenda.

[JavaBrewer]

Its in God's hands.

[kstar]

And before folks of the Al Gore "consensus" rush in and claim that folks like me are just looking for an excuse to drive SUVs and fill our rivers and streams with PCBs, let me state that I fully support cleaner energy and more efficient machines!

I just like to try to approach issues in a rational way.

Best,

Kurt

[onewhippedpuppy]

The irony would be amusing. All this time Al Gore spends screaming about global warming, when the real issue turns out to be global COOLING. Not so amusing if it leads to starvation, disasters, and death.

[MRM]

I have talked extensively with a grad student in one of the bioscienses who said the same thing. She said we're in a long term cooling trend that might be offset by global warming. We've gone through the same cycle before, in the middle ages there was a period called the mini ice age. I thought it was pretty much agreed upon that we were entering a cooling period now, if you set aside global warming issues.

[The Gaijin]

Cycles within cycles within cycles.

If we bother looking back more than 60 years, we might see these things..

[varmint]

it's pretty well known.

at the first earth day rally, around 1970, the speakers were warning of the coming "ice age". glaciers were supposed to be crossing minnesota by now.

i still don't know what to believe about climate change. but i'm dead certain al gore is a dullard.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by The Gaijin

Cycles within cycles within cycles.

If we bother looking back more than 60 years, we might see these things..

Again, the arrogance. We attempt to take maybe 100 years of data, and extrapolate it to the millions of years the Earth has been here. Not to mention the evidence of the natural cycles that the Earth experiences.

[flashgordon13]

"We're not sure" is not in their vocabulary. If you listen to all the different theories and tried to make sense of them, your head would explode. Predicting climate change is much more complicated then forcasting the weather for tomorow and they can't even get that right most of the time. There was a show on the other night about what is going to happen when the sun reaches the end of it's main sequence life and all of the devastation that is going to result. Give me a break!! Let's not spend millions of dollars trying to forcast an event that is not going to happen for billions of years or on other stuff that we can't understand or control.

[trekkor]

Uh oh, more 'guesses presented as fact'?


KT

[MRM]

Originally Posted by varmint

it's pretty well known.

at the first earth day rally, around 1970, the speakers were warning of the coming "ice age". glaciers were supposed to be crossing minnesota by now.

Let me check out the window.

Yup. Right on schedule. Coming in from North Dakota as we speak. I'm going to light a fire tonight. Global warming can't happen too soon for me. I'm tired of being cold.

[sjf911]

Originally Posted by dmoolenaar

Its in God's hands.

You mean Allah right?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

Uh oh, more 'guesses presented as fact'?

I didn't see anything about the Bible posted here.

[ckissick]

The signs are ominous. 6 months ago the southern hemisphere was in the midst of their coldest winter in 100 years, or coldest ever recorded in some places. Antarctica was recently found to have more ice than ever recorded before. Right now, China is experiencing its coldest winter in 100 years. Some sources report that global temps have decreased over the last 7 years.

[The Gaijin]

Bible contains 3000 years of history, going back 5000 years..

Plently about famines, floods and the like.

Maybe that is why some of us don't get so excited about all this??

[JavaBrewer]

Originally Posted by sjf911

You mean Allah right?

Name is unimportant. Think teapots. I better pick up that Columbia fleece I saw on sale the other day...

[kstar]

Originally Posted by dmoolenaar

Name is unimportant. Think teapots. I better pick up that Columbia fleece I saw on sale the other day...

And drink lots of warm Tea.

It's prophecy, I tell you, prophecy!



Best,

Kurt

[scottmandue]

My research shows that we only have six... no wait... five million years before the sun burns out.

Oh my, what will we do?

Odds are an asteroid/comet/meteor will take us out before then.

Have a nice day!