iphone vs Windows Mobile for business

[Halm]

Kurt, I don't think that will happen. BB messages filter through a centralized NOC. If you have an unlicensed device, my guess is the message will get dumped. Since ActivSync has nothing like that and communications are between the device and Exchange, there is a better chance for a 3rd party product to tie them together.

[Ronbo]

Wife's a partner at a CPA firm and uses her iPhone with no issues. She loves it in fact.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by Halm

Kurt, I don't think that will happen. BB messages filter through a centralized NOC. If you have an unlicensed device, my guess is the message will get dumped. Since ActivSync has nothing like that and communications are between the device and Exchange, there is a better chance for a 3rd party product to tie them together.

Thanks, Hal, I didn't understand how that worked.

RIM sounds like they have a very Apple-esque vertically integrated system in place!

And I would agree that RIM and Apple are not going to be joining hands and singing love songs anytime soon.

I guess someone could try to spoof a BB device, but that, of course, will never gain any widespread use . . . IMO.

Best,

Kurt

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Halm

Let me frame my comments: As soon as the iPhone supports Exchange, I am buying an iPhone. It will instantly become the 800 pound gorilla in the corporate messaging world.

That said, take it to the bank... ActiveSync works slick as sheep snot on a WM phone. And we don't have the national outages the crackberry users have.

Palm's native e-mail app also supports Activesync, live continous mail up, without need of a Blackberry Enterprise Server (BES).

Palm is REALLY an old platform. She should pickup an HTC TYTN II (unbranded AT&T Tilt) and then use that puppy with any GSM provider. It is Wifi, 3G, Edge, GPRS. And you can customize that sucker to be as good, or better than an iPhone. And to me, a keyboard is essential.

If the TYTN II had a slide out thumboard, for surface less texting, along with the flip out big keyboard, for dedicated typing, it would be a laptop killer.

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Palm's native e-mail app also supports Activesync, live continous mail up, without need of a Blackberry Enterprise Server (BES).

Palm is REALLY an old platform. She should pickup an HTC TYTN II (unbranded AT&T Tilt) and then use that puppy with any GSM provider. It is Wifi, 3G, Edge, GPRS. And you can customize that sucker to be as good, or better than an iPhone. And to me, a keyboard is essential.

If the TYTN II had a slide out thumboard, for surface less texting, along with the flip out big keyboard, for dedicated typing, it would be a laptop killer.

Just to add: The previous version of the ATT "Tilt" is the 8525, and has an IR port, which can come in handy. For some reason the Tilt doesn't have it. Ended up going with the Treo 750 as I needed the IR.

Oh, and I didn't even think that Apple was in the running as a business/smart phone OS. I thought it was always been between Palm and WM?

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by Ronbo

Wife's a partner at a CPA firm and uses her iPhone with no issues. She loves it in fact.

Thats a UNAX violation actually, as the IRS requires that the device have a remote wipe and disable function from a master console, also encryption. after it's your tax information possibly on her phone.

[Halm]

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

Oh, and I didn't even think that Apple was in the running as a business/smart phone OS.

Except for Apple fanatics, they aren't.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by Halm

Except for Apple fanatics, they aren't.

And for folks not involved in the 9to5 corporate world - "business" does happen outside of that space, you know.

edit: iPhone is number 2 in the smart phone market, right behind RIM, BTW.

Best,

Kurt

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

Just to add: The previous version of the ATT "Tilt" is the 8525, and has an IR port, which can come in handy. For some reason the Tilt doesn't have it. Ended up going with the Treo 750 as I needed the IR.

Oh, and I didn't even think that Apple was in the running as a business/smart phone OS. I thought it was always been between Palm and WM?

I use a Treo680, because I like the Palm OS.

HD: The real answer comes from what she wants to use it for, and how she physically uses it.

[island911]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

And for folks not involved in the 9to5 corporate world - "business" does happen outside of that space, you know. ...

Yeah, I know a drug deal . . er, snowboard instuctor who has an iPhone for business.

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by island911

Yeah, I know a drug deal . . er, snowboard instuctor who has an iPhone for business.

Shoot me his number. I need...er.....instruction.

[Dave L]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

And for folks not involved in the 9to5 corporate world - "business" does happen outside of that space, you know.

edit: iPhone is number 2 in the smart phone market, right behind RIM, BTW.

Best,

Kurt

[kstar]

I meant US smart phone market - sorry for my misprint!

Source: http://www.switched.com/2008/02/07/iphone-second-in-u-s-smartphone-market-share/

iPhone #2 at 28% last quarter of '07, RIM #1 and iPhone beating all MS/Windows/Mobile phones combined (21%).

Not too shabby for less than a year on the market, one has to admit.

edit: iPhone still managed number 3 for the world smartphone market even with limited availability.

Island may be right, there are a lot of drug dealers on Earth.

FYI.

Best,

Kurt

[Dave L]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

I meant US smart phone market - sorry for my misprint!

yes I knew the report, I just had to set the record straight.

Originally Posted by kstarnes

Not too shabby for less than a year on the market, one has to admit.

I wont admit to anything

What is interesting is how different the NorthAmerican market is compared to the rest of the world.

BTW I guess Im more than a little biased.

[island911]

Originally Posted by red-beard

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HD: The real answer comes from what she wants to use it for, and how she physically uses it.

NOooo! She should only consider how good a phone Might be in the future, after all those "easy" software fixes; Plus the consideration for current US market share!


heh heh... iPhones; no replaceable/removable memory or battery. The touch screen can only sense a big smudge of bare fingers --no stylus, no fine pick.

. . . But one day everyone will realize the pure genus of the iPhone! Until then only the really smart people will understand their greatness.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by island911

NOooo! She should only consider how good a phone Might be in the future, after all those "easy" software fixes; Plus the consideration for current US market share!


heh heh... iPhones; no replaceable/removable memory or battery. The touch screen can only sense a big smudge of bare fingers --no stylus, no fine pick.

. . . But one day everyone will realize the pure genus of the iPhone! Until then only the really smart people will understand their greatness.

You really have some issues with Apple, eh?

You sound as silly as Mule with your emotional involvement with a group of products you don't even use or like.

It's really extraordinary! It is very telling and revealing.

Respectfully,

Kurt

[island911]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

You really have some issues with Apple, eh?...

No, it's more the eccentric hype and zealotry that I take issue with. Same balance I give to various other products.

[kstar]

FWIW, firmware 1.1.4 was released today (162MB) and apparently paves the way for the SDK due out any day now, if it isn't delayed.

Just loaded it and I'm not sure what, if any, new visible features are here - reports say the new stuff is under the hood and that iPhone is ready for 3rd party apps now. We'll see . . .

Best,

Kurt

[kstar]

Originally Posted by island911

No, it's more the eccentric hype and zealotry that I take issue with. Same balance I give to various other products.

I think you use the word "balance" rather loosely.

On this issue, you come across as kooky and extreme on your side as some of the most ardent Mac fanboys do on theirs, IMO.

Just my 2¢

Best,

Kurt

[island911]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

I think you use the word "balance" rather loosely.
...

yeah, maybe you're right....



...maybe I'm not doing enough to call it "balance."

to your credit, only 9 of your 10 posts were pro iphone, and only 3 of my 5 were trying to provide balance. --I'm such a slacker.

Seriously, I don't hate the iPhone, or even dislike it. It's just that I see it for what it is ... another brick of features, like every other product out there. That feature set has some good and some bad. As I see it, the 'good' is the 1/2VGA screen (most are qtr), clean, durable main surface, best VM (other than slow to notify -but still best). That's it off the cuff. I won't delve into the negatives (the zealots get angry) but will just say, that on balance the iPhone isn't everyone's answer. ...and it likely won't be. What's so wrong with that? As you point out, market share in it's category.