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1 478.2
596.4 Blue Gene/L eServer Blue Gene Solution
212992 (Power) IBM Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
2005

2 167.3
222.8 JUGENE Blue Gene/P Solution
65536 (Power)
IBM Jülich Research Centre
2007

3 126.9
172.0 Encanto SGI Altix ICE 8200
14336 (Xeon), InfiniBand
SGI New Mexico Computing Applications Center
2007

4 117.9
170.9 EKA Cluster Platform 3000
14240 (Xeon), InfiniBand
HP Computational Research Laboratories
2007

5 102.8
146.4 Cluster Platform 3000
13728 (Xeon), InfiniBand
HP Swedish National Defence Radio Establishment
2007

6 102.2
127.5 Red Storm Cray XT3
26569 (Opteron)
Cray Sandia National Laboratories
2006

7 101.7
119.4 Jaguar Cray XT4/XT3
23016 (Opteron)
Cray Oak Ridge National Laboratory
2006

8 91.3
114.7 BGW eServer Blue Gene Solution
40960 (Power)
IBM IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
2005

9 85.4
100.5 Franklin Cray XT4/XT3
19320 (Opteron)
Cray National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center
2007

10 82.2
103.2 New York Blue eServer Blue Gene Solution
36864 (Power)
IBM Stony Brook University/Brookhaven National Laboratory
2007


btw, that first second number, is the Terraflops

your vatech cluster packs 12.25

that's about 11% of the #10 on the above list
or 2% of the #1 in the list...

i dunno, as supercomputers go, it's not really doing so well now is it?

“I just bought a Mac to help me design the next Cray.”

Seymour Cray

Actually, only ONE version of OS X is UNIX certified. Therefore, that one version is UNIX, not the rest of them:)

Agree with Sott R, you want high end UNIX workstations, look at SUN products. Or DEC/Compaq/HP. Or IBM.

Please tell me your kidding. What does HP make that is more high end? Have you LOOKED at their systems? Honestly...?

Stijn:

You're missing the point.

Neither Macs nor Windows machines even compete as supercomputers. But, Macs are more than just the 1997 image you and others have painted them as "toys".

I am not trying to say the Mac is the best computer in the world, but it is much more than a pretty box. Apple does make some very serious machines that compete in their market on both price and performance and 6% market is not a negative.

Best,

Kurt

well that's not surprising now isn't it
wintel is obviously not in that graph since you were talking about high end UNIX

This is what I was referring to:

See apple.com

Best,

Kurt

I realize that. But ONLY Leopard can properly be called UNIX. Tiger, etc, cannot. Each version must be certified.

No, the thread started as Why do some people hate Apple/Mac?

Toady, I am aware that HP as well as IBM and others make computers that are much more high-end, I guess I misspoke.

I do think XServe does match up well with similar hardware products from HP, Dell, IBM and others though, but do admit it s a very difficult market for Apple to penetrate. The VaTech and other cluster projects would have been a fairy tale in the 90s.

I bet many of the other folks were not even aware of some of Apple's high-end systems and server products.

FWIW.

Best,

Kurt

Yes, I agree!

Best,

Kurt

I should have said "markets that Apple competes in". I apologize for my mistake. :)

Best,

Kurt

Its still x86, that's not really unix, you can call it that, like I can Nissan an infinity.

Sheesh, now I missed my opportunity to get out of the house and go for a run today! :mad::mad::D

Best,

Kurt

so it competes with in the PC market, doesn't make it on top
it competes in the Super computer market... doesn't make it on top either
graphical workstation market.. is it market leader there??? does it whip sillicon graphics butt? does it kill sun workstations stone dead fast? ...?


I guess it's the market leader in the graphical design , photo editing,DTP market...
fair enough... but that market, is very small
ti-ti

it doesn't run the world

Scott:

I guess I am not into computer tech at the level you are. I always thought of "Unix" as an operating system independent of hardware. If I am wrong, I stand corrected.

Best,

Kurt

I hate to make car analogies, but I guess you just somewhat described Apple and Porsche.

Best,

Kurt

Yes, I absolutely am.

Those lines deserve to be quoted one more time.

I've expressed my view on this topic before and I don't feel that I need to again this time, because right from the beginning the first couple posts by your friendly Mac users demonstrate precisely why we "Mac haters" have issues with such attitude from them. Go ahead, read from page 1 again.

I always did think Macs were cool and excellent for what they were supposed to do, but every time I gave one a try I honestly didn't find both the OS and programs intuitive at all. However, no Mac user would ever agree with me, would they? For them it always makes sense and I should just go back to my Windows.

I think you can install Leopard on non-Apple Intel PC, can't you? To me the advantage of using the cute white box now, other than having one less mouse button and limited selection of hardware, is that you can say you own an Apple product, therefore your iZealotry and PC bashing is perfectly justified now.

This is screendump from one of our Wintel servers. It's online 24/7, last time I had to reboot it was beacuse of UPS change. It never goes down, I can replace it's failed discs on the fly. 300+ users, 80 printers and god knows what more. It costs as much as typical hi-end Mac and it can do sooo much more.


Frankly, I see Mac's as niche products. It's like comparing a VW Beetle or Toyota Prius to F150 Truck. It's nice and it has built-in flower vase but in the end, when you need something done, you use the truck.

The funny part is, Mac's are nothing more nowadays than styled PC's that boot OS X. There will always be a niche for Mac's (mostly for computer-challenged customers) but as somebody said before: if all Mac's stopped, the world would keep spinning as usual and couple of Art directors would be pissed.

If all PC's stopped....yeah baby....that would be a meltdown.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1204841727.jpg

well no, because Porsche at least in it's market
is on top of it's playing field

it's the top earning car manufacturer
it's the leading edge in terms of production car technology
it's competing at the top in terms of prototype racing lmp2
Porsche buys massive shares of other , bigger companies with cash money instead of getting handouts from other companies

Porsche actually dominates in many areas
Apple... does in the "hype" area... but that only takes them so far now does it

Check out Netcraft - I think there would be a major meltdown if all the Linux/Unix/BSD servers went down.

I agree, Mac is more-or-less a box like most PCs on the inside that boots OSX.

But to claim that OSX is for mostly computer challenged folks is honestly unfair.

FWIW, I don't agree with and dislike it when Mac folks claim superiority just from using a Mac. It is just a computer. The Mac ad campaign has not helped things.

But to flippantly dismiss a really good OS just because you dislike Mac folk is silly. And obviously Windows boxes are getting the job done for many many folks.

Best and peace! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...s/beerchug.gif

Kurt

So I guess if you own a Sony, Toshiba, Acer, Lenovo or any of the other brands that have less market share than Apple you must REALLY be a moron.

Well, you have now moved the goal posts, added some subjective judgments . . . and basically recast your position.

You never addressed my previous query of the money MSFT gave to AAPL for "various reasons" now you speak of "handouts from other companies".

I guess I could make claims about Apple too; recent stock growth, cash on hand ($18B), "leading edge" in software design, dominance in MP3 market, fastest growing share of computer market, fasting growing smart phone maket-share, computer maker with largest overall growth YTY, iPhone at 71% of all phone web access, etc.

But honestly I don't think I can have a reasonable discussion with you. Sorry, :)

Best,

Kurt

Or in an even higher income bracket!

LOL. Maybe.

There fixed the analogy for you. MACs were the computer of use at Lockheed unitl we were taken over by Martin and they switched us to Wintel machines. Wintels do not do anything more than the MAC ever did, but they do require a complete IT department to support us now.

which are the 99% of the population.

Martin was Mac before PC, worked for Apple fixing laptops in the Littleton Colorado facility, thats a complete farce. The only reason they had less of an IT staff is they were doing less with the equipment, and WE Apple did their support at an very high charge rate. When they ditched the Mac's they called in M2I, I was on the team that converted mac files to PC all night long, was good times.

This gets crazier as it goes. So Cingular & the iphone have 71% of the phone web access & Verizon & all the other carriers + other cingular phones have 29%? Wow!

Look, first Apple had the 68000 chip & scsi drives & we were told of their infinite superiority. Then came the PowerPC & we heard the same tale. Now they are building intel boxes w/ sata drives. Sounds like a PC. But they're not pc's!!! They cost twice as much & they never break or go down in value. Besides, they have the world's best OS. Well, all of that is crap! Apple is a boutique computer, no more, no less. It's like Louis Vitton. I wouldnt wear that crap to change my oil. But some people pay big money for it. Hey, this is America. Do whatever you want. But when you start to tell me about the wonderment of Louis Vitton, or Apple, don't be surprised if you get a big belch in response.

Don't know about Martin, but we engineers are not doing anything more with Wintels than we did with MACs and when we kept on resisting the change we were told flat out by the President to basically STFU, he had made up his mind and that was all there was to say about it.

So why do some people hate Porsche 928s? SmileWavy

V8 envy!

I think you meant to post this in the Pontiac Aztek thread. :)

My thoughts exactly. I always found Apple software to be too buggy (Force Quit was way too common) and the interface never made sense to me.

And if you ever had the misfortune to print something, you had time to knit a sweater or something.

In a way, Macs = Porsches where Windows = American Cars.

Trying to explain why your Mac is cooler than a Windows PC is just as difficult as explaining why your 993 is so much cooler than a C5 Corvette.

That's stretching it. I'm working on my Mac / Boxster analogy, girls and hairdressers, can't even see the engine if you look (most don't). But then I remember that a Boxster tiptronic whipped me at Streets of Willow last week :eek:

Gogar, your quote reminds me of a road test of 2.2L Porsche 911s in an issue of Road & Track in the early 70s. They conclude with: the Porsche 911 offers "performance on the order of an American Supercar but without the stigma of low cost."

But I don't want to listen to "Porsche owners" kindly "explaining" to me why the 993 is so much cooler than a C5 'Vette every single time someone mentions "cars", even when nobody is asking specifically for "Porsche" advice.

Q: I found a pin hole leak on my radiator. What should I do?
A: Why, go buy a 993!

Q: How do I rebuild/replace (insert part here) on my (insert car here)?
A: Don't bother, it's a POS and it will break eventually. Why don't you just get a 993? Everything about that car makes perfect sense, starting with the engine being in the trunk!

If you don't believe me, go back and read any of "car" (read: computer) related topics on PPOT.

SmileWavy

PS As I was typing it just occured to me that the Mac = Porsche analogy is in fact pretty accurate, even down to little details like "everything being intuitive".

The 71% number for cell/smart phone web traffic comes from Steve Jobs at today's iPhone SDK meeting. I haven't found the source, but I'll let you now. Of course this number will be disputable and the source can be questioned, but I don't doubt the percentage is high, maybe not an absolute 71% though, maybe higher. If you've spent some time on a iPhone it is easy to use the web a lot as it has a regular browser, not like browsers on most phones. I'd also bet the remaining percentage is heavily slanted to Nokia sets.

The rest of your rant doesn't appear to have anything substantial, FWIW. Claiming all Macs cost significantly more than Windows boxes is a red herring.

Go to Dell.com and configure a box then to Apple.com and configure a similar config and get back to me. You can also look at similarly configged systems here: http://systemshootouts.org/

Wasn't it only a short time ago you claimed Macs were filled with proprietary parts? And your slow printing claim below is not even of value as an anecdote.

You are welcome to your opinions, of course.

Best,

Kurt

All smart phones have a normal browser now. AFAIK