Why do some people hate Apple/Mac?
 

I just don't get the ire. It's really a superior machine compared to the Windows variants. Easier to use, less intrusive, less viruses. A better "appliance" if you will that can enhance one's lifestyle. Maybe that's Pollyanna, but after at least four Windows machines, I'm glad to have gone back to Mac. Once our new server system is set up at work, I'll request another Mac. Yes, XP is good, but I think I've reached my limit with Microsoft as Vista seems more trouble than it's worth. Anyway, I'm just saying...SmileWavy

People hate a lot of things for irrational reasons.

That being said, I have a healthy respect for Macs, but I do dislike the attitudes of *some* Mac users who seem to think they are holier than thou, simply because they endorse a certain product. But I can also say the same things about *some* Porsche, BMW, etc., drivers, even though I am included in that group.

I agree, though I haven't noticed as much holier than thou attitude from Mac users as often as the same from Windows users. Mac users, conversely, seem to think Windows users are simply out of touch.

First "God", then "religion", now Apple. :D

This should be fun.

Apple is the only brand that I am aware of that attracts so many zealots willing to devote so much time and emotion to a product they don't even use. SmileWavy

It also brings out the "troll" in many otherwise reasonable PPOT members. :D

Best,

Kurt

And whites are superior to blacks. Hitler told us so.








are we done now?

Everytime I set out to buy a new computer I think about Mac. Then I go to the apple store, pick out a cool rig, look at the price and go online and buy more PC crap.

I do have an ipod if that counts.

My feeling is that a Mac is something an owner develops a relationship with and cares for. A Windows-based PC is a %*%*&&^ing thing that you are forced to work with (or around) to accomplish your work goals. It becomes obvious why the Mac owner is more passionate about their ownership experience.

Apple is a fine product. It excels a a small number of tasks. They have their strong points & weak points just like anything else. I just get tired of the folks who want to tell me that a Mac can run faster, jump higher, dive deeper & come up drier.

If your price machines on a feature by feature basis and don't pay Apple's ridiculous RAM upgrade prices, you'll find that there is almost parity in prices. Of course Apple doesn't sell on the very low end.

FWIW.

Best,

Kurt

I don't hate Macs. In another post I outlined my recent less than stellar experience with trying to get a MacBook Pro to work properly with Apple's own peripherals.

The MBP was/is a beautiful piece, and had anyone at Apple Care been able to make it work properly, I would have gladly kept it. Perhaps if I'd taken it to dinner first, our relationship would have developed.

What I do find tiresome is the assertion of opinion (" really a superior machine", "easier", "better"...) as a fact that only the clearly unenlightened cannot see.

A product that works "enhances one's lifestyle", if that's the goal. I couldn't get the MBP to do either.

It sure was pretty, though.






Tim

When we looked at Mac, we were told we couldn't transfer files, that I had to pay extra for word processing. We stuck with windows.

My only thing about Macs is that the hardware is expensive... I can't justify 700 for a micro desktop that is 1/2 the performance that I can get by building a machine for not much more than half of that.

So I split the difference and run Linux on commodity hardware.

Small number of tasks? That's simply not true, Mule.

I've always stated that machines is machines, YMMV.

At least the folks who are enjoying their Macs have a REASON to be fanboys - you anti-Mac zealots are just whining about nothing. :D

Best,

Kurt

pwd72s - you can certainly xfer files, just copy to disk or via network. Sure, you won't get some settings, etc. but your data files should migrate - unless you are locked into MS stuff. For wordprocessing, check out NeoOffice - it is a Mac version of OpenOffice that doesn't require a few hoops to jump thru to make it work (regular OO.o needs X11 installed on a Mac)

SUN hardware and Solaris is clearly superior to Mac hardware and software. Why aren't you using it?

The big plus on Windows, for me, is the wide spread proliferation of any sort of software I need, and, the biggest plus: Visual Studio. There is not a development platform from Apple than can touch it. Xcode? Yea, right, give me a break.

I've been using computers for 17 years now, and am still now as completely baffled by the Mac OS interface as I was in grade school. It is NOT intuitive, or easy to use, or any of that. Windows I find to be intuitive. CDE, JDS, AfterStep, I find intuitive.

Under about $1000 there is no new Mac hardware, as you probably know.

Above that, Macs compete very favorably on price with the other major brands.

I would guess folks that build there own computers are not really in the Mac market.

Best,

Kurt

Thanks for this info...too late now, but I should have had you along when we went to the Mac Store. This was in Corvallis, OR...a college town. All the sales help looked like they were in grade school to Cindy & I... ;)

Ah! I knew this thread would root out Island. One of the persons who seems to have the most enveloping and debilitating problem with Mac (jealousy it seems to me).

You should just buy a Mac. Oh, and while at it, take off the epaulets and make some black friends. You could probably do both at the Apple Store. SmileWavy

A while back one of my business partners wanted to get a new computer for his daughter who is a budding video editor, movie director.

Convinced him to get a Mac.

He was waiting for me to come over and set it up.

I told him just plug it in and turn it on.

He calls me in a panic, he went to add a printer and found that it was already installed and that it had found the other printers and computers on his home network.

I asked him why that was a bad thing. He paused and replied, it's not, I was just not expecting it.

He eventually bought one for himself. He needed to do some quick edits on some footage and called me for help, I can't find this feature/function. I told him to look at the menus, think logically about what he wanted to do and then go to where HE would put the feature. He found it first try.

That was the AHAH moment for him.

You had a moron salesperson. I use PC files on my Mac all the time.

Also, debating hardware is really like talking about car bodies, leather and trim levels - the OS is where the debate should be, IMO.

Best,

Kurt

Proprietary software that may not run on Solaris is my understanding.

Is a $2000 Alienware box better than a $600 Acer?

Okay. Mac runs Windows just fine. ;)

Yup, and Linux. :D

Best,

Kurt

The same could be said for Mac OS. Which was exactly my point --Windows, Mac OS, Solaris, VMS, et al, none of them are end all solutions. There is no "perfect setup" for everyone, regardless of what proponents of either, or *any*, camp, might think.

Who knows, maybe Java takes off even further, and we don't have that problem any more....:eek:

(I doubt it.)

If you can point out something besides low end graphic applications that Macs have an edge on please feel free to do so. Mac conceded the business arena to those boring pc's long ago. High end graphics require a Sun or Solaris type machine. Until not very long ago, an '84 model Atari 1040st running Toaster blew Macs away on video editing. So what exactly is their niche?

Very true.

In that case, SUN hardware will run Linux, Solaris, and Windows. Straight from SUN. I would even wager Darwin would run on SUN hardware, but not without some rather involved hacking.

Um. You better check that. Most of "SpaceJam" was done with Macs. A lot of Pixar movies use Mac too. From animation to voice over and effects, I have never seem a Sun/Solaris type machine.

So do you really want to take the position that Macs outperform high end unix graphics machines? You're sounding like wiwb.

For those of us who do hardcore development, there is not a lot out there for the Mac. Yes, I know I can run Windows on a Mac, but then what's the point in paying twice as much for the Mac?

MAC was the graphical geek thing for many years
and other then that, it was pretty much useless

- no games
- not much software available
- hardware monopoly
- expensive
- poor network capabilities and compatibilities out of the box

sure it was superior then Wintel
just like a Tiger tank was superior to a Sherman

but put 4 Shermans against the Tiger, and that was it for the Tiger
Superiority of one doesn't mean jack when mass volume kicks in

Ipods aren't that good either, they just look more decent then 99% of the competition
- cannot delete tunes on the ipod
- they get stuck
- cannot really do nothing practical with playlists once you disconnect the bloody thing from itunes
- without itunes, you loose functionalitt

so yeah, superior, in looks
it's like a hot blonde bimbo, everybody wants one
and a lot of people just get tired of her **** when they finally get one

all this crap about MAc's being better
My pc doesn't reboot unless there's a power failure, it's running XP pro
it runs like a charm, does everything i want from it, including Adobe Photoshop high res multilayer editing.. i never get any virusses, never get any kind of problems with antyhing really, so what can a MAC do, that i can't do on my Wintel?? aside from maybe looking like it's designed to look good ( as if i care what my puter looks like, it's tucked away under my desk, and mt screen looks just as design as any tft Mac screen would)

Does this help you guys understand why Macs only have 6% of the market? Smart does have something to do with it, just not what ya'll were thinking.

Apple makes high-end Unix workstations, FYI.

Best,

Kurt

Some of guys have a very good memory of Apple in 1997 but not very good knowledge of Apple in 2008.

Market share argument? :rolleyes:

Best,

Kurt

lol, you must be joking.

It's not the product. It's a lot like those bumper stickers that say:

Dear Jesus, please save me from your followers."

And, Java 1.6 is not available for Mac, because Apple decided they didn't want to do/deal with it. So if you happen to be a Java developer, Mac OS + Java isn't going to work for you.

walk into your average company
factory, or regular office workers

and i assure you, they don't work on mac's


go into your average house, not rich people, just run of the mill factory workers, office workers

you might see a bit more mac's, but still not much

what's their market share now?? 6%??

woop ti doo , that's definitely impressive , landslide victory !

I don't really hate my mac even though I may have said that in the past. It's just that every time I try and use it for more than a web browser or iTunes I have some type of compatibility issue. More often than not I just switch over to my laptop and get on with my life.