Is Terrorism That Big A Problem?

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Superman

American politics depends on lemmings just like you.

Thank God we have some stalwart, indipendent thinkers such as yourself!

[sammyg2]

[Tim Polzin]

Need stronger cars....

[stealthn]

Good one Tim!

[charleskieffner]

Originally Posted by widebody911

If you have all the mad skillz you've claimed in previous posts, why aren't you already working for Blackwater?

re: mad skillz.....i dont claim..........i have done! thats why my name is there for everyone to see. unlike others that have super secret password names and hide behind a screen.

plus im 50 years old and if im correct 37-40 is the cutoff age for blackwater. but reality is...... old age and treachery wins hands down over dumbass youth!


this crap that terrorizm isnt an issue is beyond belief to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

at age 14 to see people running for their lives, ambulances thruout the olympic village in munich, huey helos EVERYWHERE! everybody in ADIDAS uniforms carrying HK full auto G-3's and MP-5's, left an IMPRESSION ON ME FOR LIFE!

its not something i EVER WANT TO EXPERIENCE EVER AGAIN!

yes i will racial profile.

yes if i see ANYONE AROUND A PLANE AT WORK @5-6AM i dont recognize i will call 911 and engage them at gunpoint.

this isnt a joke...........its reality for at least 2-3 more generations of these fanatics. or until everyone of them blow themselves up or is killed.

as long as unethical arms merchants/countries are around, as long as there are weapons and explosives for these morons to get their hands on, they will keep pulling stunts.

the POS that pulled off 9/11 have become martyrs and now the next group will attempt the same daring move to achieve the same end result.

widebody i dont know how many jewish friends you have if any. i have worked with quite a few vets from the 6 day war. one was a tank commander who had 3 tanks shot out from underneath him in ONE ******* DAY! all of them have been in the IDF(israeli defense force-mandatory). and all of them say the same thing.............it will go on until we kill them all or they kill all of us! and we are not going to allow that to ever happen!

my take on this is you better read CRUSADES 101 and see how history is repeating itself again amongst fanatical muslims. hell the bastids just killed a cardinal of the catholic church in iraq as a symbolic jesture. that even got the popes attention.

this isnt countries at war over land/gold/water/oil/food/women...............its a religious war . thats as much of a NO BRAINER as the sun coming up in the east! and if AQ /TALIBAN/HEZBOLLAH havent proven that yet to any of you .......well...........your a MORON!

if ya aint a muslim............you can convert.............if you dont convert............WE WILL KILL YOU! if yer jewish we're gonna kill you just for drill!

sorry..... i dont subscribe to that religion nor any for that fact. im a RECOVERING CATHOLIC! who has had catholicizm stuffed down my throat and out my arse since kindergarden all the way thru jesuit college!

religion which is supposed to be so pure, so holy, so reverant, so personnal has now set the stage for the killing fields. go figure that one out! give me a break!

nobody will ever make me subscribe to any religion but the one i choose. and thats for me to know and YOU never to find out.............cuz its personal.

during the war in boznia i actually had a conversation with a priest on a flight back to phx, who later became the bishop of the phx catholic diocese and asked him if religion is so pure, so holy, why are people killing one another over it?????


the answer this guy who had mega degrees gave me.............."i honestly dont have an answer for that question. i wish i did!"

sooooo............with that in mind lets use this example. i come to your racetrack and i tell you yer gunna run a K&N filter and if you dont im gonna kill you and your family. two things are gunna occur...........you put a K&N on and resume your life. or you dont and start spraying bullets my way. and then i start spraying 40rd sticks from my HK at you. hmmmm..........

that my friends is why america has FREEDOM OF RELIGION . thereby avoiding all of this STUPID POO that is going on now.

osamas next move will be one of brilliance. it will more than likely occur in the heartland to show our soft underside, the method will be simple. it will involve a large loss of life and it will be cheap. ie. dirty bomb etc.

now just for giggles why dont you add up all the missing NUKE-LAR fissionable material missing from russia, and just imagine what a dirty bomb easily made, easily hidden will do to an area.

lets use phx as an example. light off dirty bomb at phx suns arena and the entire downtown is wasted for the next gazzillion freeking half-lifes of whatever freeking material they used. hmmmm i think that will get anybodys attention as well as everybodys attention. i think it will be probably be the freeking lead off story for some damn time to come! like 25000 years or some stupid figure thats beyond any normal reasoning!

so to end this cuz i have to make sure my quad 50's are lubed/locked and loaded on my assault p-car.................

i would much rather we kill these fanatics in the middle east than on my freeking street! corpses here in the dez draw lots of nasty BUZZARDS QUICK CUZ OF DA STINK!

[dewolf]

We are all targets for these arseholes. The west is under siege. Australians bombed in Asia, Brits bombed at home, Americans are targeted everywhere. Is terrorism a problem, gee I don't know.

[rcecale]

I'm surprised that no one has addressed the white elephant that RPKESQ has led into the room with his comment.

"Top causes of death in America:
(1) Diseases of the heart heart attack (mainly) 28.5%
(2) Malignant neoplasms cancer 22.8%
(3) Cerebrovascular disease stroke 6.7%
(4) Chronic lower respiratory disease emphysema, chronic bronchitis 5.1%
(5) Unintentional injuries accidents 4.4%
(6) Diabetes mellitus diabetes 3.0%
(7) Influenza and pneumonia flu & pneumonia 2.7%
(8) Alzheimer's Disease Alzheimer's senility 2.4%
(9) Nephritis and Nephrosis kidney disease 1.7%
(10) Septicemia systemic infection 1.4%
(11) Intentional self-harm suicide 1.3%
(12) Chronic Liver/Cirrhosis liver disease 1.1%
(13) Essential Hypertension "

For years, the US Government has been spending billions of dollars on research and prevention of all thirteen of the items listed here. To date, ALL of these major causes of death in America are still thriving. These are all wars we continue to lose.

Perhaps what is needed, in true liberal fashion, is for the US to surrender, cut and run and stop spending money on such fruitless endeavors. We've wasted too many billions, nay, make that TRILLIONS of dollars fighting these wars!

Randy

[island911]

Okay, so "Death by terrorist" didn't make the list . .. ergo, terrorism not a problem worth worring about.

But wait "Death from fighting terrorism" didn't make the list EITHER.



So, what's the point? ..I think that it has to be; some OVER REACT over miltary defence.

wow; logic.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by rcecale

I'm surprised that no one has addressed the white elephant that RPKESQ has led into the room with his comment.

"Top causes of death in America:
(1) Diseases of the heart heart attack (mainly) 28.5%
(2) Malignant neoplasms cancer 22.8%
(3) Cerebrovascular disease stroke 6.7%
(4) Chronic lower respiratory disease emphysema, chronic bronchitis 5.1%
(5) Unintentional injuries accidents 4.4%
(6) Diabetes mellitus diabetes 3.0%
(7) Influenza and pneumonia flu & pneumonia 2.7%
(8) Alzheimer's Disease Alzheimer's senility 2.4%
(9) Nephritis and Nephrosis kidney disease 1.7%
(10) Septicemia systemic infection 1.4%
(11) Intentional self-harm suicide 1.3%
(12) Chronic Liver/Cirrhosis liver disease 1.1%
(13) Essential Hypertension "

For years, the US Government has been spending billions of dollars on research and prevention of all thirteen of the items listed here. To date, ALL of these major causes of death in America are still thriving. These are all wars we continue to lose.

Perhaps what is needed, in true liberal fashion, is for the US to surrender, cut and run and stop spending money on such fruitless endeavors. We've wasted too many billions, nay, make that TRILLIONS of dollars fighting these wars!

Randy

Wow. This is a superb example of sloppy thinking.
We have improved the cure rate, survival rate and prevention of all of these causes of death. Not to mention auto deaths, aviation deaths, bathroom accidental deaths, etc.

So you see all of the money and efforts have made enormous improvements.

And yet, you think I’ve pointed out a “white elephant”? What a brainiac!

Here I am an American combat veteran, an American taxpayer, working for an American company in France, where I live. Some of you patriotic idiots apparently think that because I note where I live, I am some foreign French person. Please, let’s not broadcast your bigotry and John Birch type of mindless patriotism to the whole world.

Contrary to what you think, Europe has had long experience in Terrorism and have successfully fought and won against it several times in the last century. France is not your enemy, please look up how France responded to 9/11 and Afghanistan. That doesn’t mean they swallow all the same BS that you do. Nor does that mean they hate you. It does mean they have their own opinion based on experience in the Middle East that consists of several more centuries’ worth than America has.

As far as the riots in France go. Anyone who thinks they are religious based is wrong. It is racially based. America has had its own “do not travel zones” in many of its major cities (some as recently as the 1992 in Los Angeles where I was shot during the riots), all of South Central was a no-go zone for the Police and Fire Depts. So try not to paint the troubles in France as a failure that America has not suffered several times over.

Terrorism is a very low risk to the vast majority of people in Europe and America. Osama has won most of the battles strategically since 9/11. Just like the Viet Cong / NVA won the political battles during the Viet Nam war (no matter how many you killed and where!). When America lashes out in the manner like Iraq, it loses. Any student of world history can provide numerous examples to illustrate this point. The two ways to defeat terrorism have been known for several millenniums. America has chosen a non-workable method both in Viet Nam and in Iraq.

This was pointed out before the Iraq war and has been pointed out several times since the start of the war by both civilian and military experts, all to no avail. Trying to end the war as soon as possible and to start attacking terrorism in a more proactive way, would create far more security than the present course. And having the balls to say this and try to change the course of this war is the height of true patriotism.

[rcecale]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Wow. This is a superb example of sloppy thinking.
We have improved the cure rate, survival rate and prevention of all of these causes of death. Not to mention auto deaths, aviation deaths, bathroom accidental deaths, etc.

So you see all of the money and efforts have made enormous improvements.

Did you know that Saddam's killing fields have stopped? As did the wanton torture of innocent Iraqi citizens at the hands of his two sons? No more people being run through plastic shredders!

Did you know that 47 countries have re-established their embassies in Iraq ? Or that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 new schools are now under construction and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq? Did you know that Iraq 's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers, all currently operating? Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program?

Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational? They have 5 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment. Did you know that Iraq 's Air Force consists of three operational squadrons, which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft (under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?

Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion? Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers? Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks?

Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq ?They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics,15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations,22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.

Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations? Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October 2007.

Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158%? Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?

"So you see all of the money and efforts have made enormous improvements."

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

And yet, you think I’ve pointed out a “white elephant”? What a brainiac!

Yep! White with a yellow stripe down it's back!

Randy

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Wow. This is a superb example of sloppy thinking.

Contrary to what you think, Europe has had long experience in Terrorism and have successfully fought and won against it several times in the last century. France is not your enemy, please look up how France responded to 9/11 and Afghanistan. That doesn’t mean they swallow all the same BS that you do. Nor does that mean they hate you. It does mean they have their own opinion based on experience in the Middle East that consists of several more centuries’ worth than America has.

Wow, why am I not surprised!

Long experience with terrorism? Yes I totally agree that they have sold weapons to many of the terrorists and countries who support terrorism for many, many years. Iran, Iraq (before and during the embargo), the PLO, Libya, Syria.... the list goes on and on but yes they have supported terrorism with anyone who could pay for the weapons.

France after 9/11 was our ally? What are you smoking? They do have some troops in Afgan but a very small amount and rarely in harms way.

Several more centuries experience? Yes and now they are a society and country in decline yet they refuse to admit it.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Wow, why am I not surprised!

Long experience with terrorism? Yes I totally agree that they have sold weapons to many of the terrorists and countries who support terrorism for many, many years. Iran, Iraq (before and during the embargo), the PLO, Libya, Syria.... the list goes on and on but yes they have supported terrorism with anyone who could pay for the weapons.

France after 9/11 was our ally? What are you smoking? They do have some troops in Afgan but a very small amount and rarely in harms way.

Several more centuries experience? Yes and now they are a society and country in decline yet they refuse to admit it.

Obviously, you haven't done any research. Are you scarred of the truth? Try learning some facts about France, before putting your foot in your mouth. America sold weapons to Iraq by the boat load until Kuwait. So we enabled Saddam as much as anyone (America has sold arms to many tyrants, so don’t try to pass off the lie of helping the oppressed people, look up what America has done in South and Central America, try starting with the banana wars). Europeans understood that Iraq under Saddam was a buffer to extreme fundamentalism. America has ruined that buffer. Try doing some research and you will find that France set up an intelligence clearing house to combine all the European intelligence agencies to funnel intelligence data to the US. They did this on their own right after 9/11 and continue to provide this service to America. Yes, France is a strong friend of the USA.

America has screwed the pooch in Iraq and is paying for it. And will soon start paying more in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

And as for this gem "and now they are a society and country in decline yet they refuse to admit it". Priceless.
Where should we start?
220 MPH luxury train service (just like in the USA, right?)
Had a phone system with much of the capability of the internet many years ago (just like the USA, right?)
Has the world's first commercially viable space launch system (NASA is still reliant of government handouts)
Has the only aircraft company to challenge Boeing successfully (who did NG partner with?)
Health care better than the USA (#1 rated in the world by WHO)
My health care costs in France are $895 per year including my wife with no deductible and no co-payment (includes optical, dental and maternity). (Just like the USA?)
Highest birthrate in Western Europe.
Only country to utilize nuclear power correctly (standardized power plant design, not one offs like the USA). Sell excess electrical power to its neighbors (New nuclear power plant design now in production, far more advanced than anything built in the States)
Only country besides the USA to design and operate a nuclear powered aircraft carrier.
Etc., etc., etc.

Yeah, that sounds like France is failing.

Research? What f_cking research? Your knowledge of the world is extraordinarily limited.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by rcecale

Did you know that Saddam's killing fields have stopped? As did the wanton torture of innocent Iraqi citizens at the hands of his two sons? No more people being run through plastic shredders!

Did you know that 47 countries have re-established their embassies in Iraq ? Or that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 new schools are now under construction and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq? Did you know that Iraq 's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers, all currently operating? Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program?

Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational? They have 5 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment. Did you know that Iraq 's Air Force consists of three operational squadrons, which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft (under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?

Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion? Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers? Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks?

Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq ?They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics,15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations,22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.

Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations? Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October 2007.

Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158%? Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?

"So you see all of the money and efforts have made enormous improvements."



Yep! White with a yellow stripe down it's back!

Randy

I see you can't answer with logic, so you resort to simple insults. That about fits your lack of knowledge. So your contention is that after all this building and success we have had in Iraq, they are much better off? Try researching the latest power supply percentages (most of those schools have no power), the lack of integrating both Sunnis, Kurds and Shiites into the military and police forces, the massive corruption we have created in their country, the lack of freedom for women we have enabled, the rise of Sharia law, etc.

It is hardly all one sided there. And where is the plan for leaving? You know a simple project plan with milestones and tasks laid out? Haven't seen one? Neither has anybody else.

[rcecale]

I resort to simple insults? Yeah, right, "brainiac"! Get a clue.

Now who's the one who can't answer with logic? You really should pay more attention to the things you type...you big doo-doo head

Randy

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by rcecale

I resort to simple insults? Yeah, right, "brainiac"! Get a clue.

Now who's the one who can't answer with logic? You really should pay more attention to the things you type...you big doo-doo head

Randy

This is your reply. Just this nonsenses? Please point out the fallacies of my logic. Bet you can't!

[Mule]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

As far as the riots in France go. Anyone who thinks they are religious based is wrong. It is racially based. America has had its own “do not travel zones” in many of its major cities (some as recently as the 1992 in Los Angeles where I was shot during the riots), all of South Central was a no-go zone for the Police and Fire Depts. So try not to paint the troubles in France as a failure that America has not suffered several times over.

So the "race based" riots just happen to involve the "middle eastern" race, who co-incidentally, happen to be muslim? Are you really going to try & make a case that France does not have a muslim probelm? You might convince some of these left wing nitwits, but not me. If I was blind & deaf maybe. But as long as I can read & hear, the facts will prove your fantasy to be just that.

So police & fire don't go to areas of the USA? You must have eaten some bad snails & one is eating your brain.

Of that "highest birth rate" you tout, how many are muslim?

[rcecale]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

This is your reply. Just this nonsenses? Please point out the fallacies of my logic. Bet you can't!

Yeah, sure you're right. You insult me, I insult you in return and then you blame me for insulting you. Nope, can't find any fallicies in your logic at all.

Yawn...I'm bored. I think I'll go give the neighbor's cat a bath.

Randy

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Mule

Amazing. You managed to miss the point completely!

that is not amazing

Seems to me muslims tried pulling this sort of thing in Oz and got their dicks knocked in the dirt

[speeder]

The only person or group that Bush has made safer with his mismanaged and illegal war in Iraq is OBL and AQ. They have never had a better friend than Bush, and OBL has never been this safe since he began his terrorism against the west.

[Mule]

No attacks & life in a cave, yep life is great for obl.