Secret Service Views On The Presidential Personalities

[LakeCleElum]

Unverified but very believable:

Subject: AIRFORCE ONE AND ALL ABOUT JOHNSON, NIXON, BUSH 1, BUSH 2,
HILLARY, BILL, & GORE.

YOU WILL FIND THE SECRET SERVICE VIEWS ON THE PERSONALITIES OF PAST
PRESIDENTS TO BE QUITE INTERESTING.

(For those who don't know... Capt. Denny Keast flies for UAL and flew Special Air Missions for the White House.)
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I flew 4 Presidential support missions in the C-141 out of Dover AFB,
Delaware---two for President Johnson and two for President Nixon.

Johnson was a first class jerk and on the two occasions I flew for him,
if the Secret Service and their liaison in the Pentagon hadn't
intervened, we would have had to stay on the airplane for hours while Johnson

was off somewhere. Nixon never required that and the four (4)
stops we made with him he was cordial to the Secret Service and to me
and my crew.



We had a neighbor when I lived in DC who was part of the secret service
presidential detail for many years. His stories of Kennedy and Johnson
were the same as those I heard from the guys who flew the presidents'
plane Yes, Kennedy did have Marilyn Monroe flown in for secret 'dates,'
and LBJ was a typical Texas 'good ole boy' womanizer.

Nixon, Bush 41, and Carter never cheated on their wives. Clinton cheated, but couldn't match Kennedy or LBJ in style or variety.

The information below is accurate: The elder Bush and current president
Bush make it a point to thank and take care of the air crews who fly
them around. When the president flies, there are several planes that
also go, one carries the armored limo, another the security detail, plus
usually a press aircraft.

Both Bushes made it a point to stay home on holidays, so the Air Force
and security people could have a day with their families.

Hillary Clinton was arrogant and orally abusive to her security detail.
She forbade her daughter, Chelsea , from exchanging pleasantries with
them. Sometimes Chelsea , miffed at her mother's obvious conceit and mean
spiritedness, ignored her demands and exchanged pleasantries regardless,
but never in her mother's presence. Chelsea really was a nice,
kindhearted, and lovely young lady. The consensus opinion was that
Chelsea loved her Mom but did not like her. Hillary Clinton was
continuously rude and abrasive to those who were charged to protect her
life. Her security detail dutifully did their job, as professionals
should, but they all loathed her and wanted to be on a different detail.

Hillary Clinton was despised by the Secret Service as a whole. Former
President Bill Clinton was much more amiable than his wife. Often the
Secret Servi ce would cringe at the verbal attacks Hillary would use
against her husband. They were embarrassed for his sake by the manner and frequency in which she verbally insulted him, sometimes in the
presence of the Secret Service, and sometimes behind closed doors. Even
behind closed doors Hillary Clinton would scream and holler so loudly
that everyone could hear what she was saying. Many felt sorry for
President Clinton and most wondered why he tolerated it instead of just
divorcing his 'attack dog' wife. It was crystal clear that the Clintons
neither liked nor respected each other and this was true long before the
Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Theirs was genuinely a 'marriage of convenience.' Chelsea was much
closer to her father than her mother, even after the Lewinsky scandal,
which hurt her gravely. Bill Clinton did in fact have charisma, and
occasionally would smile at or shake hands with his security detail.
Still, he always displayed an obvious air of superiority towards them.

His security detail uniformly believed him to be disingenuous, false,
and that he did nothing without a motive that in some way would enhance
his image and political career. He was polite, but not kind. They did
not particularly like him and nobody trusted him.

Al Gore was the male version of Hillary Clinton. They were friendlier
toward each other than either of them were towards former President
Clinton . They were not intimate, so please don't read that in. They were
very close in a political way. Tipper Gore was generally nice and pleasant.

She initially liked Hillary but soon after the election she had her
'pegged' and no longer liked her or associated with her except for
events that were politically obligatory.

Al Gore was far more left wing than Bill Clinton. Al Gore resented Bill
Clinton and thought he was too 'centrist.' He despised all Republicans.

His hatred was bitter and this was long before he announced for the
Presidency. This hatred was something that he and Hillary had in common.
They often said as much, even in the presence of their security detail.
Neither of them trusted Bill Clinton and, the Secret Service opined,
neither of them even liked him. Bill Clinton did have some good
qualities, whereas Al Gore and Hillary had none, in the view of their
secur ity details.

Al Gore, like Hillary, was very rude and arrogant toward his security
detail. He was extremely unappreciative and would not hesitate to scold
them in the presence of their peers for minor details over which they
had no control. Al Gore also looked down on them, as they finally
observed and learned with certainty on one occasion. Al got angry at his
offspring and pointed at his security detail and said, 'Do you want to
grow up and be like them?' Word of this insult by the former
Vice-President quickly spread and he became as disliked by the Secret
Service as Hillary. Most of them prayed Al Gore would not be elected
President, and they really did have private celebrations in a few of
their homes after President Bush won. This was not necessarily to
celebrate President Bush's election, but to celebrate Al Gore's defeat.

Everyone in the Secret Service wants to be on First Lady Laura Bush's
detail. Without exception, they co ncede that she is perhaps the nicest
and most kind person they have ever had the privilege of serving. Where
Hillary patently refused to allow her picture to be taken with her
security detail, Laura Bush doesn't even have to be asked, she offers.
She doesn't just shake their hand and say, 'Thank you.' Very often, she
will give members of her detail a kindhearted hug to express her
appreciation. There is nothing false about her.

This is her genuine nature. Her security detail considers her to be a
'breath of fresh air' They joke that comparing Laura Bush with Hillary
Clinton is like comparing 'Mother Teresa' with the 'Wicked Witch of the
North.'

Likewise, the Secret Service considers President Bush to be a gem of a
man to work for. He always treats them with genuine respect and he
always trusts and listens to their expert advice. They really like the
Crawford , Texas detail. Every time the president goes to Crawford he has
a Bar-B-Q for his security detail and he helps serve their meals. He
sits with them, eats with them, and talks with them. He knows each of
them by their first name, and calls them by their first name as a show
of affection. He always asks a bout their fa mily, the names of which he
always remembers. They believe that he is deeply and genuinely
appreciative of their service. They could not like, love, or respect
anyone more than President Bush. Most of them did not know they would
feel this way, until they had an opportunity to work for him and learn
that his manner was genuine and consistent. It has never changed since
he began his Presidency. He always treats them with the utmost respect,
kindness, and compassion.

[K. Roman]

So full of *****.

[nostatic]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/secretservice.asp

[red-beard]

"Inside the White House The Hidden Lives of the Modern Presidents"

My ex-wife read this book, after we visted the whitehouse. I swore up and down that socks must have pee'd everywhere. It smelled so bad.

The book confirmed it. It's a great read on the Preidents from JFK to Clinton.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by K. Roman

So full of *****.

Sorry to disturb your dream but the gent I worked for the last 8 years was in the Bush (Senior) White House and told us the very same things. He worked there most of his term. I assume that you also worked in the White House? When pray tell? Which President?

I personally know two of the Secret Service guys who were on both the Bush Senior and Clinton details and they say much the same thing.

As well I know 4 pilots who have flown George and Barbara after he stepped down from office and they not only agree with the above, one of them detailed their very nice experience with the couple.

They landed in Houston to take the couple to Maine. Barbara was a bit early and she settled in the jet and was just like your Grandmother, being very nice and talking about everything. She asked if the crew wanted to get some photos with them and when George showed up she grabbed him and all the crew had photos taken outside the plane by the Secret service agent. Barbara then came to the cockpit during the flight and got the crews individual addresses and promised to send copies to everyone.

Well a couple of weeks went by and nothing. Then a month and they all figured that it was not going to happen. A couple of weeks later they all received a package with not only the photos in it, but cuff links and other White House things in it! Also had a personal note written by both George and Barbara on each photo. Very, very nice people.

I have flown Bush II back when he was the Gov of Texas. He came to the cockpit and was the nicest guy you could ask for. As he is a pilot he stayed up a while longer while asking about the new stuff in our plane.

Joe

PS the two Secret Service guys that I know detest Bill and especially Hitlary. The post above about her degrading the security detail is spot on and she feels that everyone is "under" her and that she was put on this earth to lead and everyone else needs to bow to her. They worked during Bush Senior's term and half of Clintons term, then transfered out. Simply could not put up with her crap and his constant trying to screw everything in sight and creating security issues in the process.

[9dreizig]

Originally Posted by K. Roman

So full of *****.

Actually I"ve spoken with a couple of people who have served in the white house, it mimics exactly what they have said.. Hillary is definately a C U Next Tuesday woman..Her loathing for the military is ledgendary..Johnson was a
pr!ck.. Ladybird was no better..

Guess you're a lefty huh Roman ??

[hytem]

Well, you'll believe this stuff if you want to believe it. The usual 'hate Hillary' theme is a tipoff.

[K. Roman]

Your not disturbing my dream at all. I just know bullstuff when I see it.
I'm sure Laura Bush is a sweetie. So are the daughters for that matter. I'm sure Bush is nice too...wait? Who cares...

[K. Roman]

How did you know I was Left handed???

If you are talking politics though I'm neither one of the two.
But thanks for trying to put your finger on it...

Originally Posted by 9dreizig

Guess you're a lefty huh Roman ??

[Hugh R]

I know an guy who works at Paramount Pictures who used to be on one of Clinton's advance detail, the guys who work the political end of his road trips. He pretty much said the same things to me about the Clintons that are mentioned above. I might add that he is a true Hollywood liberal to boot.

[Joeaksa]

You know its funny, we have several posters with first or second hand knowledge about these people in the White House and as usual several of the others refuse to believe it.

Why is it that the libs always refuse to believe evidence, even when its presented in their faces in black and white?

[Dantilla]

All I can add is this:

I know a guy who flies a corporate jet, and flew ex-President Ford on a few occasions.

He once refused to land Mr. Ford in either Aspen or Steamboat Springs or Jackson Hole, (sorry, don't remember) because runway length was a bit short for the federal standards, that have quite a bit of extra length for safety built in.

Mr. Ford, though inconvenienced, thanked my friend for being so professional, and taking his duties seriously.

He said he was a genuinely nice man. An honor to have him on board.

Pretty irrelevant to the above, but it's the only first-hand info about a president I have.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

Pretty irrelevant to the above, but it's the only first-hand info about a president I have.

Sorry to disappoint, but that would be second-hand knowledge. first-hand would be if *you* were the pilot.

I don't know if the original stuff is true or not. But I do know the difference between first, second, and third-hand knowledge

[Dantilla]

Oops! You're right.

Never mind.......

[Cdnone1]

K Roman
What is it like to Know the truth when you see it?
Have you ever though about becoming a Judge?
I mean it must be a great gift to automatically know when every one else is lying, and you alone know when the truth is presented, regardless of whether you have any experience in the subject.
You could make a fortune on this board! Everyone could show you their legal issues and you would know in an instant bu!!**** when you see it.
My lawyer seems to need time to hear both sides of arguments and silly things like facts and statements.
Must be nice to know you are the absolute authority in BS detecting
Steve

[speeder]

I agree w/ Snopes that anonymous email spams like this do not pass the BS test. Do you guys really believe that all Democratic politicians are flaming pricks and all Republicans are good old boys and girls with the common touch? And that all or many of the SS agents who covered these *top assignment* people are willing to break their professional code and blab to all of their dip***** friends about the personal habits and personalities of the first families? I dunno...

Maybe the Clintons know that all of these agents are right-wing pricks that are going to betray them and don't put on a phony act that they appreciate it or like them. Who knows? I'd personally rather have a leader who makes the country run like a Porsche turbo and is not the nicest guy on earth than an absolute moron who runs us into the ground but is a nice guy to have a beer with. But that's just me.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Cdnone1

K Roman
What is it like to Know the truth when you see it?

Steve

Just learn to spot BS when you see it. The rest will be the truth.

[Seahawk]

A number of my friends were pilots at HMX-1 in Quantico, the Marine squadron that flies the "white top" helo's that move the President and the, "green tops" that fly support.

In Vinman's thread, he is standing by an H-3 that the president flies in. The big helo is an MH-53E that flies support. When I was the Chief Test pilot at the Sikorsky factory, I was intimately involved in the maintenance support of all of HMX-1 Sikorsky built helicopters, which took place at the factory.

Their experiences, as related to me, cover Reagan to Bush II.

A good friend of mine, a recently retired Marine O-6 summed it up best:

Bush I and II were both pilots and Reagan played one on the big screen...they seemed to appreciate the service we provide, understand our love of aviation.

The stories they relate on the First Ladies are amazing.

[cairns]

Actually this squares very well with what I have heard. The Hillary fits are legendary and I have no doubt they're true. My former company did security plans for the White House and my Uncle was co- pilot on AF1 back in the Johnson and Nixon days. He also flew the astronauts around the world which was a big deal back in those days.

BTW the Clinton staff did indeed trash the White House communications and staff offices when they left. The usual college kid kind of stuff. Very immature BS like stealing the Ws, erasing disks, porno on the printer, piles of trash etc. We have another friend who installed curtains at the White House and he couldn't say enough about how nice Laura Bush was.

[VINMAN]

As I stated in my S.S. thread, the agents I worked with last week were very outright with their dislike for the Clintons. Especially Hillary. They echoed the same stories of her rudeness, arrogance and phoniness.