Let the fefutatation begin! :)

[KaptKaos]

Fine, since no one liked my silly post here's my unreasonable response.

Originally Posted by DARISC

1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.

Which "key" civil rights laws does he continue to oppose?

Originally Posted by DARISC

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."

So? He's more aggressive. Does that automatically mean that we will be involved in more wars?

Originally Posted by DARISC

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.

As said before, the man knows what real torture is and what is not. I'd defer to his judgment on the subject before I'd listen to just about anyone else.

Originally Posted by DARISC

4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."

As said before, it was a bad ruling that made new law out of whole cloth. It should be a states rights issue and likely will revolve to that.

Originally Posted by DARISC

5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.

The name "Children's Defense Fund" implies that they are apolitical. They are not.

Originally Posted by DARISC

6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.

As said before, why should others bail out those that took the bait? I sold and sat out of the market for a few years now thinking it was ridiculous. I am glad I did.

Originally Posted by DARISC

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."

Many? One? Hmm... I don't like quotes without attribution.

Originally Posted by DARISC

8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.

Follow the money. Oh wait, McCain doesn't do ear marks unlike other candidates. And Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) is a jerk and should be tossed out on his ear.

Originally Posted by DARISC

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."

I don't care for this kind of pandering either. But Democrats need to make up their minds on the role of God in politics.

Originally Posted by DARISC

10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.

Again, not an apolitical group.


So yeah, there's my fefutation. I prefer the muppet rick roll better though.

[BeyGon]

6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.6

He signed a pre-nup, his wife's money is "his wife's money" he shows as his income his retirement and Senate salary.
Not at all what The Clintons make.

[lyon]

what is that huge lump on the side of his head?

[sammyg2]

[QUOTE=DARISC;3869705]1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.
He should have held his ground, King was a con man, a plagiarist, and an extortionist who became very wealthy on the back of the civil rights movement. It was and is a very worthwhile cause but King used it for personal gain. Support the cause, not the man.
2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."2
Bloomberg, now there's an opinion worth listening to.
3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3
I support waterboarding so I don't have a problem with this. Caring more about a terrorist than our country is liberal treason IMO.
4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."4
I agree with him, killing an unborn child is murder.
5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.5
This, like so many other "ranking" organizations, rank politicians based on one thing: how much money did they give away? If McCain spend billions to support this special interest group, he'd be ranked at the top instead of the bottom. Money grabbing extortion.
6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.6
So you think that people who can't pay a mortgage they should never have agreed to should go on vacation instead of living up to a legal contract they signed? No, I guess being responsible is over-rated.
7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."7
I don't know the man and have never seen him lose his temper. It might be true or it might be a bunch of BS. Who said that, in what context, and why? Answer those questions and this quote might start to have at least a scrap of validity, until then it is absolutely meaningless.
8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8
How much money did he give lobbyists and special interest groups? What, he gave the least? Wow, that's an interesting tidbit, probably worthy of mention unless someone has a hidden agenda and doesn't want the whole truth to come out. Suggesting he panders to lobbyists is a blatant lie. He is one of the only ones that doesn't and that suggestion is intentionally misleading and dishonest.
9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."9
While I seriously doubt he ever said anything like that at all, I have said much of that and believe it to be true (except the catholic part, they are just misled by the popes and lost the way of Christ), so I don't have a problem with that at all. You are making McCain sound better and better all the time.
10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.
All that means is he didn't give them lots of our tax money. See item number 5 and number 8.


Seriously, if this is the best dirt you can come up with you're in trouble. I could say worse things about him than that (that would also be closer to the truth) and I'm a republican. I don't really like McCain that much because he's too liberal but most of these things are so thin you can see right through them.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Seriously, if this is the best dirt you can come up with you're in trouble. I could say worse things about him than that (that would also be closer to the truth) and I'm a republican. I don't really like McCain that much because he's too liberal but most of these things are so thin you can see right through them.

Gee whiz, I'm in trouble? Not my "dirt". Didn't "come up' with any of it. Just saw it and posted it to see what the responses here would be (boy, am I ever surprised! ).

[DARISC]

I just had the thought - I wonder if I'd have been left out of the responses (not personally attacked, assuming that I was posting this as the irrefutable (there, I corrected my typo) facts) if I'd prefaced my post with "Hey, whaddayou guys think of this load of crap being put out there about McCain?"

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by DARISC

...6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations...

Heck, I own five homes and am just a low paid government employee...but I do skip vacations and have a second job. Sounds like good advice to me.

[Wickd89]

Isn't great that we have such great options to choose from!

We are such a diverse country, and that is great, but we will never agree fully! Thank God we have some pre-set rules..The Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I would add the Bible, but wanted to respect the separation of Church and State..