Doonesbury on fiscal responsibility

[kang]

Are his numbers right? I know he leans left, but if his numbers are right, that’s quite a legacy.

[varmint]

interesting example of how someone can tell the truth and still lie.

budgets come from congress. find out how many of those years democrats were in control of the appropriations committee.

the 94 republicans started to cut spending. but went native in washington. by 06 conservatives had abandoned them. and they were swept away.

[steve911]

Originally Posted by varmint

interesting example of how someone can tell the truth and still lie.

budgets come from congress. find out how many of those years democrats were in control of the appropriations committee.

the 94 republicans started to cut spending. but went native in washington. by 06 conservatives had abandoned them. and they were swept away.

Not sure this is totally accurate - if I remember my constitutional provisions correctly.
Budgets come from the President (Executive branch). Appropriation bills come from Congress. Executive branch has to sign a bill in order to make it legislation - takes two to tango.

Now back to our regular programming.

[pwd72s]

Military spending aside, Bush has been a fiscal disappointment to conservatives.

[Moses]

How many spending bills did "W" veto?

[cmccuist]

He's been running that same cartoon (w/updates) for the last 20 years. The dems had congress for 40 years, and they wrote the spending bills that Reagan and Bush 41 signed, so they must have bought in. Both sides are culpable.

Our government spends a lot of freakin' money - Democrat or Republican - doesn't matter.

Ironically, when the GOP had the Congress and Clinton was in office they actually balanced the budget there for a couple of years.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by Moses

How many spending bills did "W" veto?

I dunno..but not enough, IMHO. I view his intent as trying to beat the Dems to the punch on spending bills by increasing domestic spending & "entitlements" a TON!

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Bush (either one) ain't conservative, they just wear the t-shirt for votes and then slap the other guy with a "liberal" label which has more negative "ooga-booga" scare factor than any other word in an election these days.

Saying Bush (either one) espouses conservative values is like saying the moon is made of green cheese.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Bush (either one) ain't conservative, they just wear the t-shirt for votes and then slap the other guy with a "liberal" label which has more negative "ooga-booga" scare factor than any other word in an election these days.

Saying Bush (either one) espouses conservative values is like saying the moon is made of green cheese.

To further drive home the point that this statement is absolutely true, Karl Rove (the genesis of alot of Bush's "conservative" agendas) is an atheist. I doubt the "religious right, moral majority" voters of the last election would have put Bush on such a high pedestal knowing that the guy pulling the strings didn't even share their fundamental beliefs.

[tabs]

Moldy Green cheese, I know I bin there.....on the moon as it were. Or so Mother is always telling me.

The question arises has anybody ever tried to eliminate a Government program that has to be funded? That means eliminating government jobs...just try that and see what those public employee unions do. Arnold the govenator tried to do some reform in Kalixico, and got shot down by the voters because the public employee unions spent a ton of money in negative advertising...Working for the government is the largest entitlement program there is..virtually from gettin out of school to the grave.

Let me see now, just how many people on this Board work for the government....Fintstone, Seahawk, Recale (retired USMC and sucking on the teat of a retirment check) that I can think of at the moment. Also what about anybody that services a government contract...as an employee of a DOD contractor. ALL ARE WELFARE RECEIPANTS

And we don't talk about Fastpat anymore so.......

[tabs]

So in light of blaming a paticular political party with the wanton spending, is like a dog barking up the wrong tree. The problem is an overwieldly bureaucracy that always has a hand out for a big than last years budget. They are ever expanding their responsibilitys for ever bigger hand outs.

Now it just so happens that the biggest contributor to the Democratic Party are the Public Employee Unions....Teachers, Policeman, Statworkers, Federal Workers etc....get the idea now? Ever say anything that would really fix the broken school system and guess who makes you out to look like your anti children. Now what politicaina is going to want to look like they are anti kids, that is like being unamerican, apple pie and mom by denying our children a good education...

[tabs]

So Boyz instead of just looking at the hype about a problem and afixing an easy target to blame, why don't you stop a moment, take a breath and try and figure out what the he!! is really going on...that is beofre you decide to jump.

[Bill Verburg]

The sad fact is that much of what the Gubmint spends is to buy themselves reelection

The even sadder fact is the lie perpetrated by all prez and reps and sens since johnson about ss, every dime of the ss surplus that has been colected every year since has been spent(see paragraph1). Now that we approach the time that those funds are going to be needed, oops

[speeder]

The point of the cartoon is that it's a myth that Republicans are fiscally conservative, not that Democrats are better or some such horseschit. Nice diversion attempt, though. Not.

[silverc4s]

Yeah, there are 435 US Reps, and 100 Senators up there in DC. Ever look at the cost to the taxpayers of these 535 statesmen?? I'm not just talking salaries here, folks, I'm talking about their salaries PLUS the taxpayer paid things like:
Staff
Office space, home & DC, supplies
Travel
Postage
Health Plan
Retirement Plan
Plus anything any DC lawfirm (lobbyist) can get away with doung for them or providing for them
Plus who knows what else.

The once was a watchdog group that collected all this information by member, and reported annualy on their costs to us. Does anyone know if that still exists??

[frogger]

Originally Posted by speeder

The point of the cartoon is that it's a myth that Republicans are fiscally conservative...

An unfortunate reality, IMO. Rep's / Dem's are less different than they would have you believe. We need new choices as these folks have no vested interest in making things significantly better. They just nibble around the edges to pander a bit to their particular constituent group(s).

[legion]

I love how the Dems piss and moan about spending under Bush....right after proposing massive new entitlements!!! (Universal health care, paying off stupid homeowners...)

Their hypocrisy is unbelievable. They have no intention of CUTTING SPENDING ever!!!

[tabs]

When was the last time anybody got elected who was a boat rocker, was going to implement change....I can think of one, unfortunately he wound up dead in Dallas.

[tabs]

Let me be absolutely blunt...there are too many vested interests in keeping things the way they are. They aren't going to right the boat, not ever, never! Get it? So what is going to happen, the boat will keep on taking water due to mismanagment until it SINKS> goes under. Collapses under its own weight. That is what everybody in not only the USA has to think about but because of the Globalization of the economyu the world has to pay attention, cuase they are along for the ride with the USA>

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by legion

I love how the Dems piss and moan about spending under Bush....right after proposing massive new entitlements!!! (Universal health care, paying off stupid homeowners...)

Their hypocrisy is unbelievable. They have no intention of CUTTING SPENDING ever!!!

Go back to the Clinton administration. Check the math.