All Evolutionists, go see the movie "Expelled"

[trekkor]

Originally Posted by kang

A good example is day, as Shaun mentioned. In genesis, day doesn’t mean a 24 hour day, but in exodus, apparently it does. You just change the meaning of one or the other so that they are no longer in conflict.

The Seventh day is now over 6000 years long...

How do you explain that if it is a 24 hour day?


KT

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

But you are correct, as of yet, it's 'just a theory'. The craziest one yet.

Fact is always stranger than fiction, they say

[JavaBrewer]

Originally Posted by trekkor

The Seventh day is now over 6000 years long...

How do you explain that if it is a 24 hour day?


KT

You're not supposed to. It's just a story...

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by dmoolenaar

You're not supposed to. It's just a story...

Head shot.

But trekkor does have a valid point in that time is relative. Einstien proved it.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Head shot.

But trekkor does have a valid point in that time is relative. Einstien proved it.

Einstein predicted time's relativity, among other things.

It was basically verified in the early '70s by using two synched atomic clocks - one left on the ground and one taken to altitude above the Earth on a jet flying ~600 mph.

When the "jet clock" was returned to the ground, it was slightly behind (by billionths of a second) the clock that stayed stationary (relatively! ) on the ground.

This is what science does; it makes predictions that can be tested.

[trekkor]

billionths of a second

Oh please...


KT

[kstar]

Atomic clocks are really cool, and we live by them. GPS, communication networks and brodcasters rely on very accurate time standards to literally work. They are also used in astronomy and many disciplines of science.

Today, cesium clocks measure frequency with an accuracy of from 2 to 3 parts in 10 to the 14th, i.e. 0.00000000000002 Hz; this corresponds to a time measurement accuracy of 2 nanoseconds per day or one second in 1,400,000 years. It is the most accurate realization of a unit that mankind has yet achieved.

My emphasis in bold italics added.

http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/cesium.html

There's a lot of interesting, factual stuff to know, if you are curious.

edit: I just learned something new! Here is the current "most accurate clock" - I think the above quotation is dated. My emphasis added below. It's a "quantum logic clock".

The aluminum and mercury clocks are both based on natural vibrations in ions (electrically charged atoms) and would neither gain nor lose one second in over 1 billion years-if they could run for such a long time-compared to about 80 million years for NIST-F1, the U.S. time standard based on neutral cesium atoms.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080306202743.htm

[sjf911]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

Atomic clocks are really cool, and we live by them. GPS, communication networks and brodcasters rely on very accurate time standards to literally work. They are also used in astronomy and many disciplines of science.



My emphasis in bold italics added.

http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/cesium.html

There's a lot of interesting, factual stuff to know, if you are curious.

edit: I just learned something new! Here is the current "most accurate clock" - I think the above quotation is dated. My emphasis added below. It's a "quantum logic clock".



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080306202743.htm

And to think with that kind of theoretical accuracy in this universe, god surely could have kept that burning bush lit all of these years .

[kstar]

Originally Posted by sjf911

And to think with that kind of theoretical accuracy in this universe, god surely could have kept that burning bush lit all of these years .

I had to laugh tonight. Someone who accepts the Bible stories as literal truth appears to question the veracity of an atomic clock. How about that?

I'm no expert on systems which require very accurate clocks, but I do know enough to understand that things like GPS, the internet and cellular networks absolutely rely on a very accurate "network time" standard - see NTP. These things would simply not work correctly without extremely accurate clocks.

BTW, some folks might be terrified to learn that the time standard of a UTC second (UTC is recognized as the official time standard in the world, AFAIK) is defined as such:

"The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium-133 atom."

http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-time.htm



FWIW.

[trekkor]

That's quite an interpretaion of two words...


'Oh please'.


KT

[kstar]

Originally Posted by trekkor

That's quite an interpretaion of two words...


'Oh please'.


KT

Note my exact words:

. . . accepts the Bible stories as literal truth appears to question the veracity of an atomic clock.

I will listen if you want to clarify the meaning of "oh please" in response to my post about the time relativity experiment.

[trekkor]

What would be the fun in that?


KT

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

Einstein predicted time's relativity, among other things.

It was basically verified in the early '70s by using two synched atomic clocks - one left on the ground and one taken to altitude above the Earth on a jet flying ~600 mph.

When the "jet clock" was returned to the ground, it was slightly behind (by billionths of a second) the clock that stayed stationary (relatively! ) on the ground.

This is what science does; it makes predictions that can be tested.

Doesn't change the 'apparent' fact that time is relative.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Doesn't change the 'apparent' fact that time is relative.

You said Einstein proved it.

I said Einstein predicted it, then his predictions were basically proven later. There is a distinction and that was my point.

You're right though, this conversation probably has no effect on relativity and time.

[m21sniper]

Alas, i cannot lay claim to knowing who predicted and who proved exactly what.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by trekkor

What would be the fun in that?


KT

I might assume your non-answer above means my initial thoughts on the appearance of your statement of "Oh Please" questioning the veracity of extremely accurate, man-made timing devices might have been correct.

[trekkor]

You may have a point.


KT

[snowman]

You all amaze me. I have minors in Nuclear Physics, Nuclear Engineering, Math. I have designed both ground and space portions of GPS as well as several other nav systems. I have also designed parts for almost every weapons system currently in use. I have several patents and many non registered inventions that are the result of my work over the years. What do you do?

Math is just another language, nothing more. No magic there. Absolute? Hardly, advanced differential equations are often solved by Guessing the answers!

The more you know, the more you know that you don't KNOW!

There is Proof that there is a God. How about rising from the dead! Kinda sounds like it might be pretty good proof of something, especially if the guy also claimed to be the son of God. Many other miracles were worked and witnessed by many people. The records of these events are not fairy tales, they are fact.

But the real clincher is that if you look at he wonder of nature, anyone with a smigon of intelligence knows that nature is very orderly and most likely the result of a design. Designing many things over many years gives one some insight. That insight recognizes another designers work.

[kstar]

Do you really think anyone takes you seriously?

[snowman]

No, Idiots cannot be taught. But someone has to defend people who are not Idiots so I try.