Hitlary would know what to do!

I saw the video of the press breakfast Q & A with Wright. He was acting like it was a standup act on The Tonight Show. Obama needs to come out and smack down the Rev. or B.O. will be seen as a believer of Wright's BS. A lot of people and the media are watching to see how B.O. will repond.

Reverend Wright is not the Boogey man he has been made out in the primary snippets. In fact the more I see, shows he has a point of view not far from the average black man in America. Many popular black comedians are way beyond Rev. Wright. Let us understand the whole man here.
Any one of us could be made out as something we are not if subjected to the same treatment.

He would be sleeping with the fishes.:D

you guys are killin' me here
yeah, Todd did not derail anything here, he is stirring the pot. He said nothing about the holes I poked in his perspective is reality bit.

Difference is, popular black comedians are trying to be funny, clearly not the case with "Reverend" Wright. Read up a bit, there is a statement of purpose, or whatever you would like to call it, for his "church". A white man would probably go to jail for running an outfit like that, or at the very least have to start paying income taxes

So he's not out of line. All perfectly justifiable things to say, and completely appropriate for a church sermon, to boot. Remember, God commands us to love God, and love each other. Seems to me his sermons definitely advance this message.

GAFB.

Why would anyone feel the need to defend this tool? And, I wonder what a search of these defenders posts would reveal regarding their views on say....Pat Robertson?

What would the Reverend King have to say about this fellow, I wonder?

I agree...

ps: I do not agree with the likes of Robertson, Falwell, etc. either, but they too are misrepresented in the media a LOT.

"Reverend Wright is not the Boogey man he has been made out in the primary snippets. In fact the more I see, shows he has a point of view not far from the average black man in America. Many popular black comedians are way beyond Rev. Wright. Let us understand the whole man here.
Any one of us could be made out as something we are not if subjected to the same treatment."

What horse*****. You're obviously a white person telling us what the "average" black man thinks- how the h*ll do you know what anyone thinks?

If there are any "average" black men (or women) on this board I would love to hear their perspective. I would strongly suspect they believe that the Reverend is in the same league with Falwell, Coulter, Maher, Olbermann and all the white idiots out there.

you didn't poke any holes, you just don't get (or don't agree with) my point. You are of the opinion that there is one objective reality. I maintain that this "reality" has no meaning for someone without their own perspective.

I can extend the elephant metaphor if you'd like to explain my point. While it is true that a blind person who feels only the tail might think it is something else, their "reality" is that if they stand there long enough they'll get ***** on. If someone tells them "it is an elephant", their reality becomes that an elephant is something that feels like a tail and *****s on me.

And just because *your* senses say it is an "elephant", how do you know you are correct? I'll again point to the "multiple versions of a single incident."

We have "an elephant" because some number of people have agree to call it such. The "reality" of an elephant is very different to someone watching it in a zoo vs someone getting stepped on it in the wild. So if you then talk about "America", you have the same issue. What is the reality/meaning of that for different individuals and groups? My argument is that different cultures and groups will have different versions of the American "reality." But some here seem to think there is only one "America" and that this guy is outrageously whack in his version of it.

Here's what Newt said this morning:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/gingrich-wright.html

The "blind men describing the elephant" story is supposed to be about how people attempt to understand, (or believe that they understand), the totality of something when they only know a small portion of it. At least that's the way I've always heard it used. YMMV, but it shouldn't. ;)

Hey dtw, what is the last word in "GAFB"? Get a freakin' (what)? :)

Further proof that the draft is a BAD idea.

Yep. Our version of the Bataan deathmarch. One could point to Sherman's "March to the Sea" in Georgia as another example. Want a modern example of the US Gov't commiting mass murder?

Waco

Interesting Kurt. But Wright said in an interview, about a year ago, that if Obama runs, he expects that Obama will have to significantly distance himself from Wright. So, just wondering out loud, why would Wright be miffed w/ Obama? ..is he miffed? ...If it is Wights' interest in his self-importance" . ..wouldn't he just chill until Obama get's that higher power? --Obama has only distanced himself from select words of Wright . . .not Wright himself. --perhaps Wright believes Obama is going to lose, and time is running out for coat-tail-riding incendiary-Reverend air-time.

When each perspective is different, how can there be a single, right perspective?

Just because you see what someone else doesn't does that make them wrong?

Take it a step further.

How do we know what we know?

How do we know that we know anything?

These kinds of statements are designed to draw attention away from the subject at hand and instead force people to start to argue (unsuccessfully) that they have any knowledge or that their perspective is the correct one. It is a technique designed to derail a conversation and distract from the subject at hand.

Instead of people being able to say that Wright is a nutbag (which he is), they now have to explain how their perspective trumps his perspective without stating that some perspectives are better than others.

Bravo Todd. Now explain how someone who claims that the CIA invented AIDs to kill black men isn't lying.

Some people are just naturally self-destructive. It defies logic.

Let the guy continue to be a lightning rod for controversy. He's playing right into McCain's hands. The Republican Party couldn't have paid him enough to damage Obama as bad as he's doing for free. Gratuitously.

Fine with me. Now if only there was a counterpart for Hillary, we'd be all set.

The guy is just a bigmouth blowhard. Typical pulpit-pounding preacher. Powerful speech with little content, trying to get his flock whipped up in a zealous fervor because it keeps the pews full and the donations rolling in.

Preachers and "shock jocks" like Howard Stern are really one and the same when you think about it.

Todd, my perception of reality does not impact it, unless I am looking at quarks or something and the very act of observing significantly impacts the object.

Reality never changes, how it is perceived does, I will grant that is a valid point. What someone in Canada, or wherever, perceives America to be, for example, does not change what America is. Obviously my perspective colors my perception as well. I would perceive Osama bin Laden as a murderous lunatic, or Louis Farrakahn as a racist POS and both as anti-American Muslims, but there are those who would disagree.

This isn't about "perspective" it's about a loud, mouthed blowhard that is ripping off his congregation and now sees an opportunity to rip off a few more people. The only religion Wright believes in is the religion of money.

Who; Obama? :cool:

Seriously, Obama has learned well, in how to make a string of money raising speeches. --he has absolutely no, zip, zero, experience in getting anything else accomplished. Wright taught him well.

bam! ..another preacher
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1209485518.jpg

It's interesting that this morning Obama is now on the wrong side of Sharpton too. http://www.nypost.com/seven/04292008/news/regionalnews/sharpton_raps_obama_108577.htm

This news taken with Wright's apparent turn against Obama yesterday causes me to consider if these events are genuine or a well orchestrated effort to improve Obama's general public standing???

If Sharpton and Wright are considered radical to some degree, it seems like Obama would want to be on the other side of their positions in a general election.

I'm probably reading too much into this, but it's another perspective to add to your own. :D

This isn't about "perspective" it's about a loud, mouthed blowhard that is ripping off his congregation and now sees an opportunity to rip off a few more people. The only religion Wright believes in is the religion of money.


if only this were true.

the problem with wright is that he does believe things. i keep posting links to his talks. but it's clear that no one want's to listen. at the national press club he went on about the african brain being different, more left brain, than that of whites. he reiterated his belief in half a dozen conspiracy theories. and lied about the chickens coming home to roost quote.

as he goes on it's starting to sound more and more like leornard jeffries' "black people are sun people, whites are ice people" weirdness.

you mean white people are not ice people?

Varmint, do you think he actually believes the nonsense spewing from his(Mr Wright's) mouth? I think he is an opportunist who says whatever he thinks will benefit him. His flock picking up on the truth about what he says is not going to help him at all.

He also says that the press and public are attacking the "Black Church." Isn't his church a member of the Church of Christ? His church is not the Mt. Olive African Methodist Episcopal Church.

Obama needs to get some Black Preachers to go on the record that Rev. Wright is not speaking for the "Black Church".

Do Blacks really think that the Fed. Gov. created crack and AIDs to kill blacks? If so add it to the list of failed Fed. programs.

tobra,

i think there are easier ways to get rich. i'm not a mind reader. i can only go by what he says. and i will say again, obama was comfortable exposing his daughters to this crap.



i am swedish, and suspect there may be some truth to the "ice people" theory. my family makes the most rigid wasps look like italians.

Obama live on TV now - rejecting Wright again.

i've only heard a few clips. sounds like obama is doing the necessary thing to save his campaign. well, better late than never. don't know if it's enough, but it's a step forward.


the question becomes... where does this leave the guys on this board who've been twisting themselves into knots defending the reverend?

He now calls him his former Pastor.

So who is his Pastor now?

By calling for peace, Obama is taking money out of sharpton's pockets and Al doesn't like that.

The more violence there is, the more money Reverend Al stands to get. People will buy him off in order to stop the violence, that's how he works. That's how he has become so wealthy. They donate large amounts of money to his "church" and he backs off and tells others to back off. Same con game as Reverend jesse and his rainbow coalition mafia, originally started by Dr. Martin Luther plagiarist.

Funny.:D Even if it is true...

Wright wants something here. I think the original deal was for him to keep quiet and let Obama win this thing, or try and win this thing. Methinks this fellow likes the spotlight and sees a future for himself. And not in Obama's shadow either..

The dude is a clown. Freak show. I can't believe people sit and listen to him and I really can't believe anyone gives him money to spew this garbage.

No, you are wong ... in reading too much into the above. :cool: --I expct that you are are spot-on, there. The timing of events fully supports the idea that these are not men reacting, but men who are scheming. They are putting on a show.

I just finally got a chance to watch Obama on this. ...no doubt about it; orchestrated. --Wright pushes the issues back to the surface such that Obama has a plausible reason to move . .. to more forcefully denounce Wright. Those two are still very much in bed together. tho' I see that Obama seems a bit uncomfortable with the charade.

who was behind the grassy knoll?:D

Glenn, FWIW, I agree with you that this was planned, but man, your paragraph above reads like a Hardy Boys climax (pun intended). What a hoot!:D

What's fascinating is HOW MUCH you read into things, HOW MUCH your interpretation adds to the story. And yet you never saw these things when discussing Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, et al. Fascinating.

Geeze, I would have expected the Hardy boys stories to be well written --not at all like my broken ramblings.

regarding Bush Cheney; sure I pick up on stratigery . .. just that what I see never seem to be the complaint de jour. Since they seem to get sooo much undeserved criticism I just let most (of what I see) go. Also, Bush and Cheney aren't trying to perpetrate a charade of "good cop / bad cop." Wright and Obama are. I expect Wright is to Obama as Cheney is to Bush, as in the push from the sidelines guy.

Obama is exactly the same as Wright. He is a racist, N..., no count communist. To prove my point look at each and every policy (if you can find them) that Obama proposes. He proposes to take from each according to his ability and give to each according to his need. He has stated this many different ways, all very clearly. Obama is a communist. He is a racist, he is a N.... with the worst possible connotations possible. He would wipe out the white race if he had the opportunity, he has said so himself.

And the idiot democrats are so desperate that they would sell their souls to this guy, for political gain. No wonder that any decent American like Rice, or Powell, will not run.

"he is a N...." .....Nancey-boy? --I think you are right.

That he is but free speech is not part of this forum.