Poll: Is "tolerance" a form of forced acceptance?

[snowman]

Tolerance is BS! The most intolerant people in the world are the people who used to be called Vikings, now known as fairy nice guys. Their version of tolerance was to kill anyone who did not look or think like they did, consequently we have a nation of look alike blond haired tall people who are fairy nice. Don't get in their way, even today.

People are not built to be tolerant of people that are not like themselves. A very good reason is that people kill people who are not like themselves more than they kill people who are like them. So if you like tolerance, you are setting yourself up to be killed or to kill. Why? Because tolerance is code for INtolerance.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by trekkor

It's absolutely a chosen behaivior.
KT

Trek, Do you think they choose to be gay as children or later as adults? Where do you think all those gay kids come from?

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

This is why I WON'T go there,

BTW, the South Park is worth seeing

There ya go Byron, you made an adults decision rather than go and cry about it afterwards. That is the only true measure of a man's character...backing up ideals with actions rather than do nothing but post numbers.

What's the SP episode about?

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Trek, Do you think they choose to be gay as children or later as adults? Where do you think all those gay kids come from?

Trek believes all sorts of illogical stuff
like for instance, that the bible is 100% correct, despite the many blatant contradictions, and verifiable different versions of facts within said bible

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by snowman

Tolerance is BS! The most intolerant people in the world are the people who used to be called Vikings, now known as fairy nice guys. Their version of tolerance was to kill anyone who did not look or think like they did, consequently we have a nation of look alike blond haired tall people who are fairy nice. Don't get in their way, even today.

People are not built to be tolerant of people that are not like themselves. A very good reason is that people kill people who are not like themselves more than they kill people who are like them. So if you like tolerance, you are setting yourself up to be killed or to kill. Why? Because tolerance is code for INtolerance.

Just wanted to keep this jewel intact. OOOOFFTA!

[snowman]

Yahooo!!!

[911pcars]

"It's absolutely a chosen behaivior. "

Then, do heterosexuals choose to be straight? If so, at what age, 4, 10, 18? This sounds silly.

IMHO, you are or you're not. Why would anyone choose to be ostracized, threatened, berated, criticized, beaten, marginalized, shamed, outcast or demeaned, especially while growing up, and perhaps with unsupportive parents, relatives and friends? If it were a choice, one would act "normal" in the formative years and bypass all the childhood nastiness, wait until the coast is clear (Gay Day) and save a bunch on the therapy sessions. To some, that's the process of becoming gay.

Sherwood

[snowman]

Its NOT Gay, its QUEER!

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by snowman

Its NOT Gay, its QUEER!

What's not Gay?

[Mule]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

What's the SP episode about?

Scared huh?

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

There ya go Byron, you made an adults decision rather than go and cry about it afterwards. That is the only true measure of a man's character...backing up ideals with actions rather than do nothing but post numbers.

What's the SP episode about?

I do everything like that, if there is a bar with poor service or I get treated badly (that doesn't happen very often) I choose not to spend my money there, same with shops with poor business ethics. When I was screwed by UPS, I did much more that just whine about it,, I called, sent letters with the proof to the entire BODs, called more, before I publicly started raising cane & added the note to my sig, yet was ignored and out a few grand because the F-up
I have never been a believer in standing in a protest line, my time is too valuable for that type of crap, and am more likely to counter protest
I have said it before, I have no problem with what people do in their own homes, but don't try & make everyone accept it as normal, hell, I avoid going into churches out of fear of being struck by lightning for how I live, and don't try & make my business everyone else's, and have more that once spoken out against churches at town meeting when trying to force their beliefs on every (drinking laws, gambling, strip clubs, ect)

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Why did you feel the need to avoid those areas?

It is quite possible that the Christian event rented the whole park for their private use. I see no problems with that. Could be any number of reasons other than assuming Disney had some agenda. Aren't they pretty conservative though? Well, except for the recent trend of exploiting young kids and spitting out the remains when they are no longer viable.

Do you expect Disney to put out some Gay Days warning for an unofficial event? I guess they could give individual days a MPAA rating or a Surgeon Generals Warning or something. Are you pissed at Disney about it or dissapointed??? Why would they choose to loose all of that revenue? Who would they be appeasing with that kind of action?

Unfortunately when going to parks like this you are always going to run into shocking people. Most of the time it is punk teenagers. I've never encountered packs of rogue gays. I have had the occasional drunk queen try to pick me up at Church St Station in the city after a night of clubbing.. You know its probably safer to just stay home or maybe go to Branson instead.

Answers:

1). I felt the need to avoid those areas because my kids were 2 and 4 years old at the time and I really didn't think that exposing them to the flaming gay lifestyle at this point in their lives was needed. Silly me.

2). Yes, I expected a word from Disney about the event. Nothing derogatory, simply "Sir, just so you are aware, there has traditionally been a gathering of the homosexual community here at DisneyWorld on those dates." Then I could make my own decision about whether to go to that event or not.

3). I agree that there are homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, trisexual and quadrasexual people out there who aim to be shocking. Newsflash, I would not want to go to Disney if there was an unofficial porn star convention either.

4). The last comment is the one I like the best. Why are the ones who encourage tolerance always the same ones who suggest that people who happen to have a stricter set of morals then they do go hide somewhere like Branson or just stay home? How tolerant of you...

[Mule]

The porn star deal has some potential!

[Nathans_Dad]

Somehow I knew you would say that...

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

I have said it before, I have no problem with what people do in their own homes, but don't try & make everyone accept it as normal, hell, I avoid going into churches out of fear of being struck by lightning for how I live, and don't try & make my business everyone else's, and have more that once spoken out against churches at town meeting when trying to force their beliefs on every (drinking laws, gambling, strip clubs, ect)

I find I'm starting to fall in love with you too!

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Answers:

1). I felt the need to avoid those areas because my kids were 2 and 4 years old at the time and I really didn't think that exposing them to the flaming gay lifestyle at this point in their lives was needed. Silly me.

3). I agree that there are homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, trisexual and quadrasexual people out there who aim to be shocking. Newsflash, I would not want to go to Disney if there was an unofficial porn star convention either.

4). The last comment is the one I like the best. Why are the ones who encourage tolerance always the same ones who suggest that people who happen to have a stricter set of morals then they do go hide somewhere like Branson or just stay home? How tolerant of you...

So your 2 & 4 yr olds know the difference? I would expect that they at the least would have thought they were probably Disney characters. You sound as if you really believe that exposing them to any hint of homosexuality is likely to rub off on them to the point they become gay. I hope you have the strength for puberty. You have one Fuch of a ride coming. If one of your children decides they are Gay? Well, I think you know the rest. A lifetime of unhappiness for you I think.

What sir, do you know of my morals? You were speaking directly to me. You are vainly or smugly or self-rightously (take your pick) convinced that you have a stricter set than I do. What do you base that insubstantial statement on? I've not told you to be tolerant at all, have I?

That was given as heart felt advice. Take it or not. My point was "if society scares you so badly then you need to stay out of the deep water". Go only to religiously sponsored events, send your kids to private religious schools only. Turn off the TV, whatever...Just realize the possible results with that kind of repression and isolation. You are only creating future ridicule for your children.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Answers:

1). I felt the need to avoid those areas because my kids were 2 and 4 years old at the time and I really didn't think that exposing them to the flaming gay lifestyle at this point in their lives was needed. Silly me.

You know the level of your reaction is striking a slightly different chord with me now....

I am honestly convinced that your actions would have been no different even if your children were not present. Is that a result of fear, or disgust or what?

[70SATMan]

You could have done what Byron would have done. Not go in the first place due to your moral convictions instead of complaining about it after the fact and thinking that Disney owed you something.

You did say you knew before you went and you went anyway. Terrible risk that.

[Nathans_Dad]

Wow, you spent a lot of time on that. Lemme see if I can 'splain it for you.

First, yes, my 2 and 4 year olds would have certainly asked a number of questions if we encountered two men making out in front of Peter Pan's Ride. Am I afraid of those men? No. Certainly not. However, I think there is a certain time and place to introduce children to things in the world. I also would not sit with my kids while they showed footage of war casualties on television. Nor would I sit with my kids and put on a porn flick. I also would not sit with my kids and watch an R rated movie.

I think that kids should reach a certain level of maturity before they are exposed to certain material. You may disagree, that's ok...they aren't your kids.

As far as your morals, I was simply referring to the fact that you apparently think it is ok for kids under the age of 5 to witness homosexual make out fests. I personally don't think that is ok. So, your morals are a bit looser than mine on that subject. Capiche?

Lastly...thinking they were Disney characters? Are you serious? Yeah, I can see it now...

"Look mommy, there's Goofy and Mickey and Donald! Oh, look, there's the dwarves. I see Grumpy, Dopey, Humpey, Flamey and Queenie!"

Lastly, I still don't get your idea of just staying home or going to Branson or whatever stereotype you are talking about.

Would it be ok with you if I said the same to the gay people? Hey, you don't like my world, then stay home. Seems pretty intolerant to me...

[Normy]

Originally Posted by Dennis Kalma

I think the guy who made the distinction between tolerance and acceptance has it right. Tolerance is my sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own. I do not accept them or agree with them, but I believe (also) in freedom of choice, hence I will take no action other than perhaps a spirited debate if the other party wishes to participate in proving that their belief is wrong.

Acceptance are beliefs or behaviour that I generally approve of and support and promote.

Coming to the gay marriage question, I really do not care what particular orifice is used by any person in the privacy of their own bedroom, fill your boots or whatever. Not my problem, while I have limits as to what I will accept, I have much broader limits as to what I will tolerate in others. Just leave the kids out of it, if you are two consenting adults and not in my living room, do what you want.

In terms of marriage, I accept heterosexual marriages as the only kind of union that I am willing to call marriage. It has long term social history, it fits with my Christian beliefs....it is the only thing that I call marriage, regardless of what anyone else says. It is the only kind celebrated in my church (I am Presbyterian) and if that ever changed, I would leave.

The folks who promote gay marriage are trying to limit my right of choice. They want me to accept a gay union on the same basis as a heterosexual marriage. That will never happen, and I am getting pissed off that they keep on trying.

Call it a union, civil relationship, queeriage...couldn''t care less....I'll even pay more in insurance premiums for the broader range of people covered, but it ain't a marriage.

People keep on wanting the converse of rights....drives me nuts. Freedom of speech does not obligate anyone to listen to you at all. Freedom of belief does not obligate anyone at all to agree with you or support you in your belief. Freedom of association does not obligate anyone to come near you or want to be your friend.

I can disagree with your beliefs, argue with them in any public forum and most certainly in private ones, and run away screaming any time you get near me. Or just quietly ignore you as well. My choice. My freedoms.

And personally, I do not give a flying f*ck at a rolling doughnut whether anyone else agrees with me, talks with me or wants to be my friend...

Dennis

So why do social conservatives get so many votes when we enjoy gay neighbors ?

N?