Poll: Is "tolerance" a form of forced acceptance?

[Mule]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

You know the level of your reaction is striking a slightly different chord with me now....

I am honestly convinced that your actions would have been no different even if your children were not present. Is that a result of fear, or disgust or what?

So WTF now you're like what, Dr. Phil times Karnac the Magnificent? Social conscience, mind reader & all around nimrod!

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

First, yes, my 2 and 4 year olds would have certainly asked a number of questions if we encountered two men making out in front of Peter Pan's Ride. Am I afraid of those men? No. Certainly not. However, I think there is a certain time and place to introduce children to things in the world. I also would not sit with my kids while they showed footage of war casualties on television. Nor would I sit with my kids and put on a porn flick. I also would not sit with my kids and watch an R rated movie.

Here is where I fathom some hypocrisy in your example. Your entire premise is based on two men kissing. Had it been a man and a woman kissing, I don't get the impression we would be having this discussion. At any rate you are clearly comparing two men kissing to violence and porn. Quite a jump in extremities. Do you really see them equally?

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

I think that kids should reach a certain level of maturity before they are exposed to certain material. You may disagree, that's ok...

Don't disagree with you there at all. I expect that discretion in myself and practice it with other children.

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

As far as your morals, I was simply referring to the fact that you apparently think it is ok for kids under the age of 5 to witness homosexual make out fests. I personally don't think that is ok. So, your morals are a bit looser than mine on that subject.

You are highly exaggerating what I wrote and are incorrect. My comments described my belief that children of that age do not really discriminate sexually. You would be highly surprised. Lots of hugging and kissing going on with no care nor question of gender. There are some Ped. Docs on board I believe. Would love to hear what they think as well. I highly doubt your 2 yr old would ask you specifically why the men were kissing any more than seeing a man and a woman. Equal curiosity. Especially if exposed to open displays of affection at home.

I'm going to assume you had the good fortune of having your father while growing up. Was your father openly affectionate with you as a very young boy? Did he kiss you? Did you ever hesitate to kiss him? Did your dad bother to explain that it was not a Gay kiss or did he just say he loved you. I'm taking this to the extreme but, I hope you see my following, sure to be long-winded point.

I grew up in an openly affectionate house. My parents kissed and hugged in front of us..would not hesitate to pinch each other or chase each other around in play. There was always laughter in my house (when my sis's and I wasn't fighting). I grew up watching my grandfather kiss my dad up until he died. I grew up without the hesitation of hugging and giving my dad a kiss as a show of affection. I'm 44, still do it. I don't ever recall my father having to explain that even though as a man he kissed me that it wasn't Gay. As a result of that environment , my kids have grown up in a happy house and I'm proud to have passed on 4 generations of that kind of love. Long story short, just because children ask questions does not mean you have to give them them complete answers. You could have easily answered with "because they love each other" IF they had asked rather than with "because they are deviant homosexuals who just want to fuch". That is of course entirely dependent whether you think the gay couple is deserving of love.

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Lastly...thinking they were Disney characters? Are you serious? Yeah, I can see it now...

For the most part yes. I was playing on your derogatory "flaming" adjective.

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Lastly, I still don't get your idea of just staying home or going to Branson or whatever stereotype you are talking about.

SHRUG.....I already explained that. If you do not want the risk of exposing your children to what you think is morally irrehensible then you have no recourse other than isolating them completely. Exactly what I said. Or you can pick venues that minimize the risk. Branson, MO (theme type park) would qualify for that. Been there many times (grew up in Illinois)

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Would it be ok with you if I said the same to the gay people? Hey, you don't like my world, then stay home. Seems pretty intolerant to me

Absolutely OK! You are just confirming your right to live your life by saying "this is me, you don't have to like it". You are not saying "You have to love me" though are you?. Gay people who are uncomfortable in your circle have the option of staying home.

Just like they can say "hey if you don't like my Gay Parade, you don't have to march". If you are uncomfortable in their circle you have the option of going home.

I'm sure Byron would tell you to pack sand if you walked into one of his "special clubs" and complained about the lap dance he was getting. He has that right and you didn't have to walk in.

Bottom line is you went anyway and complained about Disney not warning you . THey have as much control over that type of unofficial event as they do if a troup of boy scouts decided to show up.

Now, they do have the responsibility of policing the behavior and dress of their patrons within reason. I would expect them to throw out a young guy/girl couple fornicating in the open in front of Cinderella's castle as quickly as two guys, two girls or Two Mules for Sarah". However squemish it might make you, two guys kissing is not a valid reason. Even if its 200 female couples kissing all over the park.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Mule

So WTF now you're like what, Dr. Phil times Karnac the Magnificent? Social conscience, mind reader & all around nimrod!

Saw the drug thread didn't ya?

Hey, I'm proud of you. You didn't say "crack" or "ass".

Better watch it though.... I know you've used "Karnac" several times. Hmmmmmm....Where's that search key?

[snowman]

INTERESTING CONVERSATION

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy speaks to his Class on the Problem Science has with GOD, the ALMIGHTY.
He asks one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .


Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill.. But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

( Student is silent )

Professor : You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella. Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
Student : From . . . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make
everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?

(Student does not answer)

Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?

( Student has no answer )

Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World. Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor : Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.

( The Lecture Theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events )

Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat, a Little Heat or No Heat. But we don't have anything called Cold. We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as Cold. Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat. We cannot Measure Cold. Heat is Energy. Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.

( There is Pin - Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )

Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the Absence of Something… You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . . But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called Darkness, isn't it? In reality, Darkness isn't. If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality. You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD. You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought. It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing. Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

( The Professor shakes his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument is going )

Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and cannot even prove that this Process is an on - Going Endeavor, Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir? Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?

( The Class is in Uproar )

Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?

( The Class breaks out into Laughter )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . . No one appears to have done so. So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have No Brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust you’re Lectures, sir?

(The Room is Silent. The Professor stares at the Student, his face unfathomable)

Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . . The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that Keeps Things Moving & Alive.


NB:
I believe you have enjoyed the Conversation . .. . and if so . . . You'll probably want your Friends / Colleagues to enjoy the same . . . won't you? Forward them to Increase their Knowledge . . . or FAITH.

It turned out later that the student is Albert Einstein (?)

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Here is where I fathom some hypocrisy in your example. Your entire premise is based on two men kissing. Had it been a man and a woman kissing, I don't get the impression we would be having this discussion.

And that is where you are wrong, sir. I would have the same issue (as I said in the thread above) if there were a regularly scheduled heterosexual Porn Days at Disney. Again, if you are familiar with Gay Days, you would know also that it isn't just two men kissing in a corner that goes on here. In fact many in the gay community have recently boycotted the event due to the ridiculous, over the top displays of affection in public. Here is a essay from one of the sites, found on a simple google search on Gay Days.

“Go get a room”.

That’s exactly what I feel like yelling this time every year as Gay Days descend upon Orlando. I know that during the first week in June, unsuspecting families and otherwise good and reasonable people will, at times, be confronted with images and events they would probably rather not see or experience on their family vacation. These people paid to visit Disney World, but during the first week in June, it looks a lot more like South Beach.

For the record, I’m a 42 year old gay man living in Orlando. I’ve been to Gay Days before, and thought it was a little bit over the top, but always bit my lip – especially here on the site. This year though, it just seems completely out of control, and I wanted to get this off my chest.

I’ve watched over the years as Gay Days has grown in scope and size. What once was a small group of well meaning gay men and lesbians has grown – and in my opinion, deformed – into what is now nothing more than a vile spectacle of self indulgence and indecency.

No matter how prudish that last sentence may sound, trust me – I’m no prude. I have a liberal streak that cuts through me like a hot knife through butter, but I like to think that I was raised with a certain sense of decency and a pretty good sense of right and wrong. There is a time and a place for everything, and Disney World is neither in this instance.

Over the years I have heard about, and have witnessed, what is commonly referred to as PDA (public displays of affection) during gay days, and almost always it’s done in full view of a family, or at least children. I don’t care if you’re straight or gay, there are some things kids don’t need to see – and trust me, two queens frenching outside Cinderella castle is really high on that list.

I can’t help but think of, and feel sorry for – the unsuspecting family who saved for years for a once in a lifetime trip – only to arrive and find that Disney had in fact, been invaded by he-women and shaved down muscle boys. By itself that would not be a problem, but the sheer number of people who seem to go out of their way to rub their sexuality in everyones face during this ‘event’ is nothing short of disgraceful. Is the Magic Kingdom REALLY the place for a 5 year old to ask his father why those two men are kissing? Is it really up to any person to decide for that parent when, or if, they will have that conversation with their child? I’ve always believed the best way we, as gay men and lesbians, could further our cause was to simply live our lives openly, and with dignity. Not hide in shame, and not force our beliefs or lifestyle down anyone elses throat. I don’t like it when I hear pompous windbags telling me I’m going to burn in hell for being gay, and I’m sure most of the free world would appreciate a visit to Disney World that did not include the vision of grown men in go-go shorts, and ads for lubricant prominently displayed throughout the host hotel. Oh, and while we’re on the subject of ‘image’ at the host hotel (the Sheraton World on International Drive)– the line of beer trucks outside the resort was a nice touch, and the liquor kiosks and condom ads every 5 feet will certainly not further the image of us as a bunch of drunken sex fiends.

The argument is often put forth that since Christian groups congregate at Disney World, why not us? Fair enough, except that the ‘Night of Joy’ (the Christian concert that takes place at the Magic Kingdom each year) is a hard ticket event – meaning that it’s not open to the public, and requires separate admission. The Magic Kingdom is closed down to the public at a certain time, and only those people that CHOOSE to be there are allowed in. Families that come to the Magic Kingdom on Gay Days are not afforded the luxury of choice. Since Disney does not sanction the event, it’s not mentioned anywhere, or to anyone booking a reservation during that week. If “Gay Day” at the Magic Kingdom was a hard ticket event like the Night of Joy, sign me up. But it’s not – it’s far from it. Trust me, if a religious group organized 100,000 Christians to go and ‘make yourself known’ in the Magic Kingdom one day a year – and began rubbing their lifestyles in the faces of visitors by preaching to them as they tried to ride Space Mountain – plenty of people would be up in arms.

Then there is the issue of drugs. It is widely known throughout the gay community in Orlando that if you want good drugs and great sex, the first week of June is a great time to visit. So much so, that the Orange County Sheriffs office found it necessary to station deputies and drug sniffing dogs in the lobby of the host hotel. And before the oppression chorus starts warming up, just get real – we all know that it goes on in droves during gay week – and it’s not ‘oppression’ if it’s justified. I don’t mean to imply that every person attending gay days is a drug crazed lunatic – the vast majority are not – but no one in the gay community can deny how pervasive this problem is, and the problem travels with us.

Now, I have to tell you I’m uncomfortable writing this. In the 8 years I’ve had the site, I’ve never used it to espouse my beliefs – political or otherwise, and I doubt seriously I ever will again. But, I know a little something about Disney, and as a gay man – I feel I had something to say on this issue – something that should be said, something that many good, decent and reasonable people feel – but will never openly express for fear of ‘political incorrectness’.

I’m also more than a little fed up. I’m fed up with the world thinking that this is what being gay in America is all about – it’s not. I’m fed up that those of us with some sense of ourselves outside of circuit parties and body building are painted with this tawdry brush. But most of all, I’m fed up with watching a place I love get defiled by the kind of twisted nonsense that routinely takes place during Gay Days. The Magic Kingdom is not the place to make a stand, or to further an agenda. While Disney does not openly promote or discourage the event, I know that many inside the mouse house dread its arrival every year. It’s a political land mine and Disney does their best to walk it very carefully. In my mind, Disney already does it right. I’ve stayed at Disney hotels, sailed on the Disney Cruise Line and probably eaten in every restaurant on Disney property – on both coasts– and done all of it with my male partner. NEVER ONCE was I treated any differently than any other guest – it was a non issue – the way it should be. That’s Disney's policy and it’s a good one. In return for that, my partner and I act appropriately when we’re in public – the way any couple should – straight or gay.

And before I get any emails from my gay brethren calling me a ‘self loathing aunt tom’ (someone actually called me that once), let me be clear – I’m proud of who and what I am. I just don’t feel the need to force feed it to the world in that way. Disney is a place where reality is suspended, at least for a time. It’s not a place for anyone’s political agenda – right or left. Keep Key West in Key West – and let Disney be Disney.

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Don't disagree with you there at all. I expect that discretion in myself and practice it with other children.

I'm sure you do. That's why I think you just don't understand the issue here. It isn't that there is a gathering of gay people at Disney. It is the above mentioned, over the top displays which would be inappropriate between any couple, no matter the sex, at a public place.

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

You are highly exaggerating what I wrote and are incorrect. My comments described my belief that children of that age do not really discriminate sexually.

I really respectfully don't think I am exagerrating your comments. I said that I didn't think taking my two young kids to Disney to witness the events described above is inappropriate. You then decided to attack me as some sort of raving homophobe. I can assure you, despite your personal experience, that kids DO observe what is around them and my kids would have asked "Daddy, why are those two men kissing?" I would then have had to have a complicated coversation with my 4 year old about homosexuality. If I had to have that conversation then fine, but it isn't something I would seek out.

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

I'm going to assume you had the good fortune of having your father while growing up. Was your father openly affectionate with you as a very young boy? Did he kiss you?

Now you're being a bit silly. I cannot recall my father french kissing me at any time. You of course know there is a big difference between a kiss on the forehead or cheek and french kissing while grinding your pelvis...you do get this right? If not, I'm just kinda wondering how affectionate your dad was...

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

I grew up watching my grandfather kiss my dad up until he died.

Was he french kissing him? I'm just wondering what your point of reference is here.

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Bottom line is you went anyway and complained about Disney not warning you . THey have as much control over that type of unofficial event as they do if a troup of boy scouts decided to show up.

First, yes we went to Disney. At that point we had over $1000 invested in the trip and I didn't really feel like flushing that money down the toilet. Also, my schedule is pretty tight and it was our only option. Second, I didn't complain to anyone about the trip, in fact I said the trip was great. I simply think that if Disney knows this event is going on and they know the kind of over the top activity that goes on then they should simply inform people instead of letting them walk unsuspectingly into a spectacle. Again, the "Night of Joy" (Christian gathering) is a private ticket event, I would think they should make Gay Days the same. Lastly, no it isn't the same as a troop of Boy Scouts. A troop of Boy Scouts showing up is a random event. Gay Days happens on the same weekend each year. Also, I'm sure you can appreciate by now (I hope) that my issue is NOT the fact that there are thousands of gay people at Disney. My issue is the behavior of a small percentage of those people while at that event.

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Now, they do have the responsibility of policing the behavior and dress of their patrons within reason. I would expect them to throw out a young guy/girl couple fornicating in the open in front of Cinderella's castle as quickly as two guys, two girls or Two Mules for Sarah". However squemish it might make you, two guys kissing is not a valid reason. Even if its 200 female couples kissing all over the park.

Heh, two guys kissing doesn't make me squeamish. I'm not sure if trying to put me into your pre-established homophobe box makes you feel better about yourself or not...

Anyhow, Disney DOES try to police things. Unfortunately there are only so many security officers and there are thousands of participants. Disney does try, but the frequency of events is simply too many for them to stop even most of it. If you don't believe me, then do some looking at the event yourself...or just read the essay I posted above, written by an openly gay man active in the gay community.

[Nathans_Dad]

You know, I was thinking about it after I posted the above and it seems this thread has come full circle.

See it apparently isn't enough for me to "tolerate" Gay Days. I must embrace Gay Days and be willing to march my toddlers into the event in order to not be labeled as intolerant.

In our upside down, PC world...I guess that is where we are.

[Mule]

Your lack of tolerance is obvious Rick. Your young children need their horizons broadened & there's no time like the present. Explain to them that Mickey Mouse is passe. Here's what's happening now!

While you're at it you can explain to him what the ***** this is!

[onewhippedpuppy]

Considering the topic of this thread, the current debate is absolutely dripping in irony. It would in fact appear that tolerance = forced acceptance, at least to some.

[Racerbvd]

It isn't like disney doesn't know when the fag fest is, as it is a planned event.
http://www.gaydays.com/

Every since ABC took them over, they have been promoting the lifestyle, one of the first major companies to offer benefits to gays, and have turned whorelando into a gay mecca. Walt is surely turning over in his grave, just like Adolph Cools is.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

And that is where you are wrong, sir. I would have the same issue (as I said in the thread above) if there were a regularly scheduled heterosexual Porn Days at Disney. Again, if you are familiar with Gay Days, you would know also that it isn't just two men kissing in a corner that goes on here. In fact many in the gay community have recently boycotted the event due to the ridiculous, over the top displays of affection in public.


I'm sure you do. That's why I think you just don't understand the issue here. It isn't that there is a gathering of gay people at Disney. It is the above mentioned, over the top displays which would be inappropriate between any couple, no matter the sex, at a public place.



I really respectfully don't think I am exagerrating your comments. I said that I didn't think taking my two young kids to Disney to witness the events described above is inappropriate. You then decided to attack me as some sort of raving homophobe. I can assure you, despite your personal experience, that kids DO observe what is around them and my kids would have asked "Daddy, why are those two men kissing?" I would then have had to have a complicated coversation with my 4 year old about homosexuality. If I had to have that conversation then fine, but it isn't something I would seek out.



Now you're being a bit silly. I cannot recall my father french kissing me at any time. You of course know there is a big difference between a kiss on the forehead or cheek and french kissing while grinding your pelvis...you do get this right? If not, I'm just kinda wondering how affectionate your dad was...



Was he french kissing him? I'm just wondering what your point of reference is here.

Well, I realize that I tried to post in sincerity and you are obviously not interested in doing the same. I even went to great lengths to explain my last points. Since I believe you are an intelligent man, I'm surprised at the feigned ignorance of my meanings. That only makes you one thing.

So, since you will only continue to twist what you like and ignore what is uncomfortable for you to answer you don't need to worry about my engaging you any more in this thread beyond this final question for you to ponder.

How would you feel if life throws you a curve and "Nathan" is Gay?

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

It would in fact appear that tolerance = forced acceptance, at least to some.

To whom exactly? Or were you only referencing the current poll results?

[Nathans_Dad]

So what if my son turns out to be gay? You still just don't get it or are deliberately choosing not to. I have NO ISSUE with gay people. I may not agree with their lifestyle choice but I certainly respect their right to live as they choose. What I do have an issue with is over the top PDA in public places. Unfortunately over the top PDA has become a part of gay "culture".

Secondly, I have done nothing but quote exactly what you said. You try to equate two men french kissing at Disney to me kissing my son goodnight? That is ridiculous to the point of not even being worth responding to, thus my reply to you. Either you truly don't see the difference between the two or choose not to. Either way I am going to call you on it.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Well, I realize that I tried to post in sincerity and you are obviously not interested in doing the same. I even went to great lengths to explain my last points. Since I believe you are an intelligent man, I'm surprised at the feigned ignorance of my meanings. That only makes you one thing.

So, since you will only continue to twist what you like and ignore what is uncomfortable for you to answer you don't need to worry about my engaging you any more in this thread beyond this final question for you to ponder.

How would you feel if life throws you a curve and "Nathan" is Gay?

Smooth move X lax. This may come as a shock but 97.7% of men are not interested in other men. The numbers may be different among your crowd. 2.3% is not enough people to shift our culture. If this bothers you, go to SF, Key West or the French Quarter. There you can be ensconced in pole smokers from pillar to post. You can make cutesey jokes about others being pole smokers & giggle like school girls about it. But remember, mainstream America still thinks homosexuality is abhorant behavior. Nobody looks at a newborn son & thinks, "I hope he grows up to be a pole smoker." Maybe you would, but not many others!

PS Please don't threaten me any more you big bully.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Mule

Smooth move X lax. This may come as a shock but 97.7% of men are not interested in other men. The numbers may be different among your crowd. 2.3% is not enough people to shift our culture. If this bothers you, go to SF, Key West or the French Quarter. There you can be ensconced in pole smokers from pillar to post. You can make cutesey jokes about others being pole smokers & giggle like school girls about it. But remember, mainstream America still thinks homosexuality is abhorant behavior. Nobody looks at a newborn son & thinks, "I hope he grows up to be a pole smoker." Maybe you would, but not many others!

PS Please don't threaten me any more you big bully.

What do you care what I think anyway? I don't even count... Right? I could disappear forever and it wouldn't make any difference. I might as well not even exist at this school, remember?

[Mule]

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

As I said before. In my eyes, tolerance & respect go hand in hand until the man no longer deserves my respect.
.

Sooooo, you're saying that if I don't respect someone or a group, I don't have to show tolerance to them? Cool, this is gonig to get much easier now.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Sooooo, you're saying that if I don't respect someone or a group, I don't have to show tolerance to them? Cool, this is gonig to get much easier now.

No, you are utterly incorrect. That statement is how I live my life. Don't you understand the meaning of the word "my"? I don't know of any words with just one letter for you. I had to use two letters.

You are free to live your life as you wish. You just have to bear the burden of any consequences you create. You know, your core value of personal responsibility?

[Nathans_Dad]

"My right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins."

--Oliver Wendell Holmes

[Racerbvd]

So I guess some here would be OK if this was happening at a family restaurant in front of small children.