Religious Top 10

[jhynesrockmtn]

I didn't get the memo that the war in Iraq was supposed to be about killing Muslims in the name of Christianity (God). I need to look through my desk papers...

Probably won't be in your desk papers unless you are part of the administration.

Sorry, didn't mean this literally but most hard core christians only have an on/off switch I guess. It's more the idea that the religous right will pursue their agenda of spreading their faith and now their democracy which are tightly intertwined at whatever cost. Bush and the rest used the convenient excuse of 9/11 and Saddams's alleged support of terrorism, WMD and "freeing" the Iraqi people to justify this war. The civilian body count is now well over 80,000. Why again are we there if it's not to spread our form of government and therefore in Bush's pee brain somehow our approved state form of religion? I realize there is no clear cut answer here but given America's general sense of self rightousness and feeling of superiority it's as good a theory as any.

[kstar]

My emphasis added below.

Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn

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Why again are we there if it's not to spread our form of government and therefore in Bush's pee brain somehow our approved state form of religion? I realize there is no clear cut answer here but given America's general sense of self rightousness and feeling of superiority it's as good a theory as any.

I think the idealistic reason the USA is now in Iraq is based upon an assumption that all humans generally prefer freedom and liberty. If the USA can "plant" this possibility in the minds of the Iraqis, perhaps it will grow in Iraq and further spread across the ME. If the assumption is correct and the desire for freedom and liberty grows, them perhaps these folks can keep the terrorists from taking over and running countries . . . and attacking us. Of course, this mess could fail miserably, but ultimately the Iraqi people will guide themselves where they want to go.

I honestly don't think the USA's plan is to plant the seeds of Christianity in Iraq, just freedom.

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[Nathans_Dad]

The Iraq war is not about spreading Christianity...sheesh.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

At least they'll never admit to it. . .

Just like it's not about oil.

Just like it's not about GWB avenging daddy.

Just like it's not about establishing a permanent U.S. presence in the Middle East.

Just like it's not about WMDs.

Just like it's not about 9/11 or Al Qaeda (since no link has ever been established, even by Bush's own 9/11 commission).



So what, pray tell, is it about exactly? We're pretty much out of rationalizations at this point. Given that, forcibly spreading Christianity is about as plausible as any other reason I can think of. . .

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn

George Bush?

Yea, I thought God was on GWB's side.................something about a Crusade.

Video:
Bush Talks about Crusade on Sep 16-2001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsjgjM56HRw

This Crusade, this War on Terrorism is going to take a while.

Over a million dead and counting.

Reality Check: What you’re not supposed to think about
http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2007/05/26/reality-check-what-youre-not-supposed-to-think-about/

Let us put this into perspective another way. If a U.S. politician stood up and said that he’d kill 100 Iraqis for every one U.S. soldier killed, he would be considered a moderate since the U.S. has killed on average over 500 Iraqis for every one Westerner killed by Al Qaeda.

http://growabrain.typepad.com/growabrain/2006/06/booming_busines.html

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

At least they'll never admit to it. . .

Just like it's not about oil.

Just like it's not about GWB avenging daddy.

Just like it's not about establishing a permanent U.S. presence in the Middle East.

Just like it's not about WMDs.

Just like it's not about 9/11 or Al Qaeda (since no link has ever been established, even by Bush's own 9/11 commission).



So what, pray tell, is it about exactly? We're pretty much out of rationalizations at this point. Given that, forcibly spreading Christianity is about as plausible as any other reason I can think of. . .

It's about bringing the Flying Spaghetti Monster to the Iraqi masses. Or maybe it's about increasing our national supply of hummus and pita bread. As long as we are just throwing things out there...

[Aufenbahn]

Originally Posted by IROC

We live in a "Christian Nation", remember? I'm sure the "Hindus are idiots" thread is popular on "www.mahindraparts.com"...

If someone did this in an area where Hinduism is a large religion they would be hunted down and killed. Seriously

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by IROC

We live in a "Christian Nation", remember? I'm sure the "Hindus are idiots" thread is popular on "www.mahindraparts.com"...

mahindraparts.com.....LOL!

Having bumped along in a Mahindra Scorpio recently, I just had to laugh.....

[Mule]

Originally Posted by billh1963

I didn't get the memo that the war in Iraq was supposed to be about killing Muslims in the name of Christianity (God). I need to look through my desk papers...

You won't. It doesn't exist. The memo that does exist says we are killing muslims in the name of America!

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by Aufenbahn

If someone did this in an area where Hinduism is a large religion they would be hunted down and killed. Seriously

Really? Why do you say that? Have you lived in a country that was predominantly Hindu?

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Really? Why do you say that? Have you lived in a country that was predominantly Hindu?

Hindus are just as bad as Muslims, who are comparable to Buddhists (not to even mention Shintoists!) and not unlike Jews and Christians, Druids notwithstanding.

I may have that backwards, though.

I've never met a Druid.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by Aufenbahn

If someone did this in an area where Hinduism is a large religion they would be hunted down and killed. Seriously

Whether or not this is actually true, this represents the kind of thinking that I abhor. Killing someone else just because they don't believe in the same supernatural being (or "beings" in the case of the Hindus) that you do just goes against everything that is right.

This whole "Top 10" thing is meant to be funny, of course, but sometimes humor has a large thread of truth woven through it...

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by DARISC

I've never met a Druid.

Well, there was this Druid chick in college, and, well...

[Mule]

Originally Posted by kach22i

Yea, I thought God was on GWB's side.................something about a Crusade.

Video:
Bush Talks about Crusade on Sep 16-2001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsjgjM56HRw

This Crusade, this War on Terrorism is going to take a while.

Over a million dead and counting.

Reality Check: What you’re not supposed to think about
http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2007/05/26/reality-check-what-youre-not-supposed-to-think-about/



http://growabrain.typepad.com/growabrain/2006/06/booming_busines.html

Posts like this, saying that our troops are worse than the terrorists is what got you called out by the Baron. Put me on the list too as thinking only an America hating POS would post this on Memorial Day. Now go ahead & send me some psychotic pm like you did the Baron & I'll tell you what I really think of you!

[Taz's Master]

I would think that 1 answered prayer would be enough to scare an atheist let alone .01%.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Try and prove an answered prayer.

Anyone else see the inherent hypocrisy of prayer?

Prayer asking for things is a way of saying "hey God? Yea, you know that plan you've got? Well, it doesn't quite jive with my expectations, so can you go back and make a revision to it on my behalf? k, thanks."

Seems kind of conceited, no?

Similarly, it seems kind of pointless to thank God for things: "Hey God? Yea, it's me again. Hey, I know you probably have all kinds of cosmic reasons for having things work out the way they do, but I want you to know how much I appreciate it when your plan jives with what my expectations were. Keep up the good work."

Kind of silly.

OTOH, if you DON'T believe in a divine master plan I guess that means either things are totally random or maybe they're being made up as we all go along. . .

Either way, I don't really understand prayer.

[JavaBrewer]

I remember a comedian with a routine that went something like "I don't understand why professional athletes thank God after making the winning TD/goal/basket/homerun. It's not like God had a hand in making it happen... If God did make it happen well then he must also be responsible for the bumbled play, the dropped winning pass. Why don't I see more athletes saying things like "Well, I would have caught that pass...but Jesus made me fumble".

Still makes me laugh.

[Aufenbahn]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Really? Why do you say that? Have you lived in a country that was predominantly Hindu?

I Googled Hindu violence. This is the first thing to come up.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,213670,00.html

They don't take kindly to anyone messing with their religion.

[Taz's Master]

P-o-P, those enjoying the accuracy of the list are endorsing the .01% number. I would think that God answering 1 prayer would be unsettling to an unbeliever, and found that entry odd. But then you probably don't endorse the sentiments the list proclaims.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

P-o-P, those enjoying the accuracy of the list are endorsing the .01% number. I would think that God answering 1 prayer would be unsettling to an unbeliever, and found that entry odd. But then you probably don't endorse the sentiments the list proclaims.

Proof of one answered prayer would be phenomenal. One answered prayer is all it would take. It would not be "unsettling", though. I don't think nonbelievers fear that some sort of god exists - there just is no evidence that one does.

I have always found it interesting that the only prayers that god "answers" are the ones that are statistically liable to occur anyway. He never answers prayers for things we know to be impossible. Interesting.