The Dillon 650 performance evaluation

[snowman]

Close but no stogy.

Anyone can post their experience with any product, as long as it is factual it is not a problem. What I have posted is exactly what the machine has done so far. Its in Dillons lap, not mine. This is just what their machine does, no more, no less. My opinion is my opinion no more no less.

Dillon may need their legal department when and if one of their 650's blows up and blinds someone or worse. My posts, plus dozens of others that I have found will form the basis for any suit against them. I am not out to GET Dillon, just to get them to correct a problem that they aparently have. THE 650, in my opinion, as it is presently configured, causes the primers to be loaded sideways, upside down and can cause an uncontrolled explosion that could result in loss of life an limb. Of course any reloading machine presents danger but this machine appears to present an almost certainty of a calamity, in my opinion. Thats my OPINION of which I am entitled.

[snowman]

Originally Posted by jeffgrant

WTF are you doing with the crack pipe?

Also, I wonder what the legal department of Dillon would think of your little public outbursts and "experiments".

But I'm sure your team of crack lawyers has already ensured you're well protected from all that...

More so than someone who dosen't even own a 650

[snowman]

The next stage is to setup the 650, to Dillon specifications. I will attempt to do so using both photo and video documentation of each step. The Dillon book will by my guide.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by snowman

More so than someone who dosen't even own a 650

Most of us responding on this thread don't own a 650 (I would assume), but you really are missing the "bigger picture". What we apparently do have, that you seem to lack is "integrity". In "my" world, nothing is worth more than a man's "word"...lacking that, no matter how large your bank account is, you're just not worth that much. You made a "deal" with Joe a LONG time ago (with no strings attached), yet somehow you seem to be having a lot of fun playing games, attempting to prove a point that is frankly irrelevent to most of us. Your true colors are becoming VERY vivid as this "deal" continues to drag on.

[lm6y]

I'm even MORE ashamed to be from Southern Illinois now. Is 16 miles far enough from the university for lack of character to not be contagious?

This gets a serious WTF. You have the consensus of the board in agreement that you should honor your agreement, and then you start questioning Joe's integrity? Even if you don't like Joe, you have to admit that from what you've seen here, he's a straight shooter.

Then you get all E-tough and say that you will shoot people.

What a turd.

It sounds like Dillon, and Joe are living rent-free in your empty skull.

You can't operate a complicated piece of machinery, and keep tempting Darwin with it, even after several people have pretty much begged you to quit for your own safety.

I sincerely hope you do not get hurt with it.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by lm6y

I'm even MORE ashamed to be from Southern Illinois now. Is 16 miles far enough from the university for lack of character to not be contagious?

His last name is not "Snowman" so its a different person.

I used to work for a company based in Anna Ill, in the South. Nice area!

[lm6y]

I'm about 20 moles north of Anna. You have probably flown into the Southern Illinois Airport west of Marion then.

[t951]

I guess this is what happens to a snowman when you hold his balls to the fire.....

[snowman]

JUst curious, how many of youall own a 650 and consequently are qualified to comment on one? I won't hold my breath for an answer.

[Paul T]

I think you are still missing the big picture here snowy...most of us (myself included) could care less about the 650, so whether we own one or not is irrelevant.

Ahh...who cares, it's not worth my time to type this, others have said it before. If you don't get it by now, you never will....

[on2wheels52]

I used to own a Dillon 650. Ironically enough I sold it to Joe. If only I had known how much drama I could have created.
Jim

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by snowman

To damn bad. Live with it.

LOL, that pretty much settles that doesn't it?

[jeffgrant]

Originally Posted by snowman

JUst curious, how many of youall own a 650 and consequently are qualified to comment on one? I won't hold my breath for an answer.

Well, wouldn't want you to turn all blue in the face or go all light-headed waiting for an answer... so....

"Pick Me!"

A friend of mine lets me use his... and we just loaded up 2,000 rounds of .38 Super a few weeks ago.

[vash]

my brother and i also share the dillon. i moved and let him keep it. he is the bigger gun freak, and he is the little brother.

snowman, i dont understand the need to prove or disprove the reloader here on the pelican bbs. what are you doing? i dont get it. you said it yourself, most of the pelicans here dont own a dillon, so they couldnt give a rat's butt how it works. this thread is only gaining popularity here because you are acting the fool. you promised to sell the thing. sell it, be done, buy another one, whatever...man up.

[snowman]

Not trying to "prove" anything, just warning the unsuspecting that they may be in for troubles. You all aparently DON'T GET IT. If I had known about this particular problem I would have never bought the thing to begin with. Plenty of others posting the same problem with the 650, but Dillon seems to think it is the operator, not the machine. I suspect the machine is the problem and no matter how careful an operator you are it will bite you eventually. Even if it turns out to somehow be an "operator" problem it is a very common problem, much to common.

In any case, careful systematic step by step, documented setup and operation will show more about what the cause of the problem is. I don't care what Dillon choses to do about it, but at least anyone wanting to buy one of these will be aware of the potential risks.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by snowman

Not trying to "prove" anything, just warning the unsuspecting that they may be in for troubles. You all aparently DON'T GET IT. If I had known about this particular problem I would have never bought the thing to begin with. Plenty of others posting the same problem with the 650, but Dillon seems to think it is the operator, not the machine. I suspect the machine is the problem and no matter how careful an operator you are it will bite you eventually. Even if it turns out to somehow be an "operator" problem it is a very common problem, much to common.

In any case, careful systematic step by step, documented setup and operation will show more about what the cause of the problem is. I don't care what Dillon choses to do about it, but at least anyone wanting to buy one of these will be aware of the potential risks.

The more you post about how the Dillon 650 is at fault, the bigger fool you are. Your own picture! What a doofus!

I would not trust your analysis concerning anything based on your rantings and outright lies that you post continually.

You obviously have no shame or integrity. Put your big-girl panties on and fulfill the deal you made with Joeska. Quit being a complete and total jerk.

PS. I have notified and provided a link to this thread to Dillon, making sure they saw your "precise" load techniques (as illustrated in the pic you supplied). They seemed to be quite interested. Good luck with your "claim" against them.

[jt1]

posted by snowman

JUst curious, how many of youall own a 650 and consequently are qualified to comment on one? I won't hold my breath for an answer.

I own a 650, so take a big deep breath and let us know when you achieve a perfect shade of Dillon blue.

I suggested in your other thread that the shell plate was loose. You posted pics of 45-70 brass with a sideways primer, and there is no way the shell plate could have rotated with that primer if it was properly adjusted. You had the shell plate very loose. You're also quite heavy handed on the handle, it's easy to tell if a primer pocket is loose or tight if you pay attention. The extra force required to crush the primer should be obvious.

You are a liability to all handloaders. Sell the press to Joe as you agreed, and put this matter to rest.

jt

[snowman]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

The more you post about how the Dillon 650 is at fault, the bigger fool you are. Your own picture! What a doofus!

I would not trust your analysis concerning anything based on your rantings and outright lies that you post continually.

You obviously have no shame or integrity. Put your big-girl panties on and fulfill the deal you made with Joeska. Quit being a complete and total jerk.

PS. I have notified and provided a link to this thread to Dillon, making sure they saw your "precise" load techniques (as illustrated in the pic you supplied). They seemed to be quite interested. Good luck with your "claim" against them.

The Dillon machine loaded this case upside down, I did not and as far as I know there is no adjustment for this. This photo was posted BECAUSE the case was upside down, just one more reason for jams. Why do you think I posted it under jams, doufus.

I have NO claim against Dillon, I am not making a claim against Dillon, I am only documenting the operation of a machine they sold me, adjusted according to their manual. NO the shell plate was NOT loose for the 45-70, that is part of the problem, there was NOTHING out of adjustment. In fact, as I stated before, Dillon adjusted the machine just before the last 45-70's were loaded and the primers ended up sideways and upside down.

I have a MSEE degree and over 35 years experience, as well as even more years building Porsche Race engines. I am an inventor with several inventions to my name and a consultant for microwave and microelectronic devices. I know WTF I am doing. I will be using 2 people to verify that I am following directions per the letter of the Dlllon Manuel, they are two retired AA pilots (heavy ones, eg 747 and the like) I am having them review every single step, just like a flight check, to make sure I am doing it right. THey are also car nuts with a lot of mechanical ability as well as ret Marine Col., they are also gun nuts. I don't expect them to offer an opinion, just verify that I followed all the Dillon procedures to the letter.

What you are going to have is photo, video and expert witness of every step, much more than a typical magazine has when it reviews a product. The results, they are what ever they are, and finally my opinion, for whatever that is worth (and according to you'll, not much so Dillon should not be worried about it).

Again for those of you who seem to be really dense, I am only reviewing this machine for the benefit of someone considering buying one. Its really nice to know the capability of a machine before you buy it. Then it will belong to Joe for whatever he wants to do with it (along with a disclaimer that I will never be responsible for the use of this machine)

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by snowman

The Dillon machine loaded this case upside down, I did not and as far as I know there is no adjustment for this. This photo was posted BECAUSE the case was upside down, just one more reason for jams. Why do you think I posted it under jams, doufus.

I have NO claim against Dillon, I am not making a claim against Dillon, I am only documenting the operation of a machine they sold me, adjusted according to their manual. NO the shell plate was NOT loose for the 45-70, that is part of the problem, there was NOTHING out of adjustment. In fact, as I stated before, Dillon adjusted the machine just before the last 45-70's were loaded and the primers ended up sideways and upside down.

I have a MSEE degree and over 35 years experience, as well as even more years building Porsche Race engines. I am an inventor with several inventions to my name and a consultant for microwave and microelectronic devices. I know WTF I am doing. I will be using 2 people to verify that I am following directions per the letter of the Dlllon Manuel, they are two retired AA pilots (heavy ones, eg 747 and the like) I am having them review every single step, just like a flight check, to make sure I am doing it right. THey are also car nuts with a lot of mechanical ability as well as ret Marine Col., they are also gun nuts. I don't expect them to offer an opinion, just verify that I followed all the Dillon procedures to the letter.

What you are going to have is photo, video and expert witness of every step, much more than a typical magazine has when it reviews a product. The results, they are what ever they are, and finally my opinion, for whatever that is worth (and according to you'll, not much so Dillon should not be worried about it).

Again for those of you who seem to be really dense, I am only reviewing this machine for the benefit of someone considering buying one. Its really nice to know the capability of a machine before you buy it. Then it will belong to Joe for whatever he wants to do with it (along with a disclaimer that I will never be responsible for the use of this machine)

Hey Doofus!
I have reviewed your prognosis and have determined your lack of ability to safely hand load is completely lacking. Having used Dillon products for over 25 years, including a 650, I have never had a case feed upside down into any Dillon. Including my 1050 which has operated perfectly for over 150K rounds alone. Your stated lack of knowledge on how to correct upside down case feeding is a perfect example of your abilities.

Your lame excuse of trying to verify Dillons problem is just a excuse to post more BS and try to wiggle out of a deal you made publicly with Joeska. Try to be a man for once in your miserable life and complete the deal with Joeska as you said you would. Stop trying to be an expert, when it is clearly beyond your ability.

Stop this nonsense and sell it to Joeska as you stated you would 8-9 weeks ago.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by t951

I guess this is what happens to a snowman when you hold his balls to the fire.....

Snowman, has this guy been grabbing your ball?