Wayne's Crazy Deck-Inside-Pool Project...

[KevinP73]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

I'm envisioning a way that hole in the ground could be transformed into a stasis chamber for the 959. . .

A certain 1957 Buick comes to mind.

[Joeaksa]

Denis and Milt would have had fun with this project!

[cashflyer]

Originally Posted by KevinP73

A certain 1957 Buick

And that's no ordinary Buick!

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Denis and Milt would have had fun with this project!

Well, /Wayne let the cat out of the bag. Yes, I'm at Pelican covering for a vacationing sales rep and hoping to go full time at some point. A lot to learn and a very tightly run ship!

Wayne and I did discuss this over several emails and I think I brought up the idea of using the concrete piers for anchor points of the uprights. Wayne says they act like 911 rocker arm swivel feet adjusters. You can take a man out of a Porsche, but apparently you can't take the Porsche out of a man.

Good job, Wayne. It makes me sore just to look at it. I'll keep my desk job, if you don't mind.

[Dick Shift]

I don't get? I nice pool boarded up like that. What a shame.

[pwd72s]

I knew how to swim at age 3,,,,But to each his own, IMHO swimming is the only "sport" all should know. A "sport" that can save your life...

[K.B.]

Now I understand the phrase "disposable income" a bit better.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Dick Shift

I don't get? I nice pool boarded up like that. What a shame.

maybe go back in the thread a bit.

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts

I have three kids, ages 3,2, and 1. The two-year old has Down Syndrome, and we are unaware at this time what her capabilities will be as she gets older. Obviously, you cannot teach a 1-year old, or a 2-year old to swim by themselves. Handling three kids in the backyard at that age with a large pool like that, which cannot be adequately fenced in is foolish. 386 kids died last year in the US as a result of pool drownings. Another 3000 or so were hospitalized with various degrees of brain damage due to being underwater for an extended period of time. It's the number one killer. I'm simply protecting them until they are old enough to know how to swim by themselves.

-Wayne

[cab83_750]

I have a pool, and the following are some things I was told:

1. A 20x40 pool would require $8,000.00 to replaster, new bullose deck, and new tile.
2. To fill it with dirt, it would cost over $12,000.00 (inspection, permit, blah, blah, blah.

So I went with pool reconditioning.

3. I was told that if you keep the pool empty, it would lift somewhat as it needs the weight to keep it down.
4. The plaster would get destroyed if you left it empty.


Wayne,

Good luck!

[fast924S]

That was a very very nice pool, Just dont let the kids in the back yard or tech them how to swim young or that pool net looks good too. Anyway building a deck over the pool not my thing, but hell at least your doing a good job at it

[cstreit]

Originally Posted by cab83_750

I have a pool, and the following are some things I was told:
3. I was told that if you keep the pool empty, it would lift somewhat as it needs the weight to keep it down.
!

Curious what the weight of the completed deck is percentage-wise to the water that was in it. Certainly a fraction but how much?

[kstar]

While the approach is not what I would do, Wayne is certainly thorough and appears to have thought everything out! I would assume an inspection is part of the thoroughness.

This project is an amazing amount of work for one human!

The kids will probably have more fun in that big, inflatable water wonderland than a regular pool anyways . . .

Best to you and your family, Wayne.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by cab83_750

I have a pool, and the following are some things I was told:

1. A 20x40 pool would require $8,000.00 to replaster, new bullose deck, and new tile.
2. To fill it with dirt, it would cost over $12,000.00 (inspection, permit, blah, blah, blah.

So I went with pool reconditioning.

3. I was told that if you keep the pool empty, it would lift somewhat as it needs the weight to keep it down.
4. The plaster would get destroyed if you left it empty.


Wayne,

Good luck!

Wayne and I discussed this. Now I see that the plaster is not that good now, so it's not like a brand new pool. I had a old dog of a pool and acid washed it and then finally painted it, Looked great for some time.

AFA lifting, he has had professional advice on the surrounding soils condition and he has a good situation AFA peculation, etc. This should work out.. As last course remedy for a pool that wants to float out of the ground, coarse gravel and a sump pump could stabilize an empty pool that is getting nervous.

One website I went on to read had this theory that pools didn't move but saturated soils around it would. It wasn't quite like the pool would float on the ocean, so how would it float in it's own mini lake?

Hey, just one person's writings.

[Jim Bremner]

I'm a pool owner, and I would love to fill mine in!

Wayne, I have 4 sons, and I bought a fence for my pool. BUT I Concour with your idea. with a special child family dynamics need to be looked at.

my concern is that the weight of the stucture is on to small of a footprint and might bust past the plaster.

I would increase the footprint two ways first MORE feet secondly 3/4 marine grade plywood under the concrette feet as lodspreaders say around 24"x24"

Like a previous poster said tthe walls of the pool will help prent it from sway. but I would still bring in more triangles and look at shearwalling a few spots.

I would try to not place the toppieces in too tight to allow it to breath.

Good Job so far!

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Correct-o-mundo. You've done your homework. I think I mentioned that somewhere earlier.

"Exterior grade" or "treated" lumber is reasonably safe now. I'd still wear some good gloves while handling the stuff, but you could probably get more/better information on that from either the manufacturers or guys that work in the construction biz actually installing those materials (means & methods stuff I typically don't get into).

[Danny_Ocean]

You can level the bottom of the pool by filling with layer(s) of sand, wetting & compacting. Then those piers will have a chance at being level.

Additionally, I would tie the joists to the sides of the pool somehow, to keep them from twisting/folding in the event of a seismic event or over-load. Did/will you install blocking between the joists? Those long boards will twist and I doubt the attached decking will prevent that. In lieu of blocking, use some Simpson x-braces or seismic strapping across the top of the joists in an "X" pattern.

[Danny_Ocean]

Well...hopefully someone with more experience than I will chime in, but I believe blocking/bracing is important in this situation. You are basically building a raised deck.

Here is a loft I built w/2x12's 12" o.c., rim joist, heavy joist hangers & topped with 5/8" ply, screwed & glued. I still used blocking (you can see it down the middle of the pic). Span is 19'6"...:

[Danny_Ocean]

From the Simpson catalog:

http://www.strongtie.com/products/connectors/H.asp

Notice the disclaimer "Hurricane Ties do not replace solid blocking"...

[futuresoptions]

Personally, would have enclosed the pool with a building with a retractable roof.... this way the doors could be locked to keep the kiddos out.... and the pool could still be of use... but to each his own.....

[Porsche-O-Phile]

IIRC there were some pretty ugly lawsuits over chromium copper arsenate (CCA) impregnated exterior wood a few years ago that had been used in exterior applications like decks and playground fences. Splinters and incidental contact gave a few kids serious poisoning, hence the uproar over the stuff and the changeover to the copper "quat" impregnated woods.

There are still a number of CCA decks, wood foundations, sill plates, and who-knows-what-else out there. Generally speaking they're not a problem unless you get a splinter from the wood or handle the wood as it is leeching material out. You can also seal it (of course if you're going through the time/effort/expense to seal it, it sort of defeats the rationale for exterior grade PT lumber in the first place, but that's another discussion. . .)

Generally speaking the copper quat ACQ stuff is supposed to be reasonably safe although I still wouldn't go making picnic tables or park benches out of it or whatever.

There are also some issues regarding building material recycling with CCA-impregnated lumber. . . A G.C. would probably know more about that than me though.

http://www.sptimes.com/2002/06/15/Homes/Beware_that_picnic_ta.shtml