The Fairness Doctrine - Page 3

berettafan · 07-02-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Why should the guys with the largest audiences be put into the worst time slots? Do you feel the same way about tv shows, newspapers, billboard signs and web advertising? Should my blog, which has zero traffic, be able to charge $10k for a banner ad, while Drudge should only be able to charge $5? What kind of socialist world do you want?

Sorry, i tend to rank entertainment by its contributions to society. As the folks i mentioned contribute absolutely ZERO i figure they should be at the bottom. They are, IMO, radio's version of Dr. Phil and Geraldo. Just talking a bunch of b.s. and stirring up the sheeple for a paycheck.

island911 · 07-02-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Superman

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Recently, I HAMMERED a local editorial personality. Ken Schramm. He is an outrage-peddler. In this instance, he expressed outrage that our DOT was prohibiting ....
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.... He misinforms. On purpose. For personal glory. And in the process, he screws up public policy decisions. He should be ashamed. His agenda is typical of right-wing anti-gubmit propaganda.

LOL ... For those who don't know... arent in the area, Ken Schramm is the Liberal part of a radio duo of opposing parties. (like Hannity and Colmes) Schramm likes govt to work. Geez that must piss ya off Supe.

. .. did you get a Schrammie Award?

lendaddy · 07-02-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Superman

His side of the story was crystel clear. He stood at the weigh station with a microphone in his hand. His image, and voice, and 'story,' was on my television screen. Later, in direct conversation, his story did not change. On television he was expressing outrage that DOT was holding up this bridge section, which was expensive and necessary to the completion of the new Tacoma Narrows bridge. Rolling his eyes, he pretended to believe that DOT was responsible for load limit regulations. He has been at this (hate mongering) gig for a long time and KNOWS were regulations come from. He was picking on an innocent party, and he KNEW it. But gubmit-hate is low-hanging fruit for editorialists and opportunists. Apparently irresistable, as long as you don't care how badly you misrepresent facts and confuse citizens and voters for professional gain.

I doubt that's what he say to me if I asked him

Superman · 07-02-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lendaddy

I doubt that's what he say to me if I asked him

Yes, he very well might sidestep his culpability. His news story clearly blamed DOT for holding up the bridge section. He did not deny this in our personal conversation but sure, he might deny it in talking to you. I saw his presentation on TV. You didn't. He might fool you. He knew he wasn't going to fool me.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

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Originally Posted by berettafan

Sorry, i tend to rank entertainment by its contributions to society. As the folks i mentioned contribute absolutely ZERO i figure they should be at the bottom. They are, IMO, radio's version of Dr. Phil and Geraldo. Just talking a bunch of b.s. and stirring up the sheeple for a paycheck.

Unreal. I don't think you'd feel the same way if you were one of their advertisers. They contribute plenty, probably in the billions. I happen to like Rush, though I'm not often around a radio when he's on and I like O'Reilly too. I'm one of those poorly educated folks who has to turn to right-wing media to get all my information (because I don't get any of it working for my news agency employer). I wish we had more folks like you who would save us from ourselves by forcing popular shows off the air or to bad time slots because you know what's best for us and market forces have no place in the entertainment business.

the · 07-02-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by island911

LOL ... For those who don't know... arent in the area, Ken Schramm is the Liberal part of a radio duo of opposing parties. (like Hannity and Colmes) Schramm likes govt to work. Geez that must piss ya off Supe.

. .. did you get a Schrammie Award?

Of course. In the Bizarro World, left is right, and liberal is conservative.

lendaddy · 07-02-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Superman

Yes, he very well might sidestep his culpability. His news story clearly blamed DOT for holding up the bridge section. He did not deny this in our personal conversation but sure, he might deny it in talking to you. I saw his presentation on TV. You didn't. He might fool you. He knew he wasn't going to fool me.

Perhaps his point was the lack of flexibility or common sense in government organizations?

Superman · 07-02-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by island911

LOL ... For those who don't know... arent in the area, Ken Schramm is the Liberal part of a radio duo of opposing parties. (like Hannity and Colmes) Schramm likes govt to work. Geez that must piss ya off Supe.

. .. did you get a Schrammie Award?

I was unaware that liberal TV editorialists regularly indict gubmit agencies but if you say so..........

I recall another Schramm story from when I worked at L&I. We had a large space in the basement of the L&I building that was vacant. The local YMCA asked if they could lease the space, and L&I agreed. It became a satellite YMCA facility. The public could, and did, use the facility. L&I workers needed to join YMCA in order to use the exercise equipment. L&I made a few bucks on the lease payments using a vacant space. YMCA had a satellite facility. It was a win/win.

Along comes King-5 News. They did a story that made it sound like L&I workers were gifted with a Health Spa at the gubmit's expense. Completely untrue and mischaracterized. Thanks, Ken.

island911 · 07-02-2008, 08:48 AM

Here is a sample of the guy... (first I found)

Komo news Schrammie Award - more free videos

Superman · 07-02-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by lendaddy

Perhaps his point was the lack of flexibility or common sense in government organizations?

Glad you asked. The real reason I found his editorial so offensive is because I have worked with our state DOT on many, many occasions. Again, I am in the public works construction industry, and have been since 1990. I have found our state DOT to be a model of public responsibility. Those guys, with few exceptions, work HARD to make things happen. I knew, at the time, that DOT was working HARD to get this truck moving again. Ken knew it too. The captive bridge section had already been all over the news, before Mr. Schramm's opportunistic editorial. One of DOT's options was to just look the other way and let a truck into Washington State that was known to be in violation of load limit laws. Would that have been your decision as a DOT manager? If so, you would probably have lost your job. And rightfully so.

DOT wanted to get this truck moving in the worst way. It was in violation of load limits and everyone was aware of that.

I know, and Mr. Schramm knew, and I suspect you know, who was at fault here. Washington State load limits are not secret. They are a matter of public record. This trucking company thought they could slip under the radar with an out-of-compliance load. Same on them. Shame on Schramm.

Superman · 07-02-2008, 08:56 AM

I've got no issues with that particular story. Island, perhaps you take the position that employers can prohibit their workers from voting?

island911 · 07-02-2008, 09:04 AM

It was just a sample so people would have a clue as to who the guy is ....his style. ...his Schrammie.

. .c'mon, Supe, fess up; did you or your group piss him off enough for a Schrammie award?

btw, I find it very telling that you expect Lib's to always cover for gubmint spending. I mean Ken likes gubmint . . .he just gets pissy when idiots flush funds that could otherwise do some good.

lendaddy · 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Superman

Glad you asked. The real reason I found his editorial so offensive is because I have worked with our state DOT on many, many occasions. Again, I am in the public works construction industry, and have been since 1990. I have found our state DOT to be a model of public responsibility. Those guys, with few exceptions, work HARD to make things happen. I knew, at the time, that DOT was working HARD to get this truck moving again. Ken knew it too. The captive bridge section had already been all over the news, before Mr. Schramm's opportunistic editorial. One of DOT's options was to just look the other way and let a truck into Washington State that was known to be in violation of load limit laws. Would that have been your decision as a DOT manager? If so, you would probably have lost your job. And rightfully so.

DOT wanted to get this truck moving in the worst way. It was in violation of load limits and everyone was aware of that.

I know, and Mr. Schramm knew, and I suspect you know, who was at fault here. Washington State load limits are not secret. They are a matter of public record. This trucking company thought they could slip under the radar with an out-of-compliance load. Same on them. Shame on Schramm.

They should have gone as high as necessary to get a variance then never use that trucking company again. Seems simple......because it is.

That truck is doing far more damage sitting in one spot than the extra 30k lbs. ever would rolling down the road....but then common sense doesn't play in government decisions. Ridged bureaucracy reigns supreme.

Government is supposed to wok FOR the people, do you think the people want that truck to move or sit?

lendaddy · 07-02-2008, 09:29 AM

And here's the government official "working HARD to get this truck moving again"

"
Big Boat Movers of Zavalla, Texas, the trucking company hired to haul the steel and neoprene component, can resume only after complying with state requirements, possibly by spreading the weight over more axles than the 21 now on the 149-foot trailer, Nicholas Hopper, a spokesman for the patrol's Commercial Vehicle Division, said Thursday.

"They're going to have to figure that out," Hopper said."

He sounds real concerned

Superman · 07-02-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by island911

It was just a sample so people would have a clue as to who the guy is ....his style. ...his Schrammie.

. .c'mon, Supe, fess up; did you or your group piss him off enough for a Schrammie award?

btw, I find it very telling that you expect Lib's to always cover for gubmint spending. I mean Ken likes gubmint . . .he just gets pissy when idiots flush funds that could otherwise do some good.

Where in the world do you get this stuff? I expect libs to always cover for gubmit spending? Perhaps I should start pretending you are a gay communist.

Another thing we disagree on is Mr. Schramm's view toward gubmit. In my experience (here I have offered two glaring.....and dishonest.....and irresponsible.....examples), Mr. Schramm prefers to attack the easiest targets...gubmit. No, I have never been a member of a group to which he has awarded a Schrammie. As far as I know. But I have watched him deliberately mischaracterize gubmit organizations on many occasions for his personal and professional gain. I consider Mr. Schramm to be a HUGE part of the problem.

Superman · 07-02-2008, 09:36 AM

A variance would be a good option, if a variance process is available to the parties. If a variance process is available, I was very confident that DOT and State Patrol staff were providing that information to the trucking company. I know those agencies, and they work hard. If they were not looking into a variance process, it's because there isn't one. If there isn't one, then we would look to the legislature for that. There is no scenario that would indict the State Patrol or the DOT for their role here. Of all the parties involved, those two agencies were the ones that were certainly not at fault. They don't make the laws, and they also don't break them. If Schramm wanted to go after somebody with plausible culpability here, he would have gone after either the trucking company.....or the legislature. And quite frankly, the organization that messed up in this instance was the trucking company. Almost predictably. They broke the law. Or tried to.

berettafan · 07-02-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Unreal. I don't think you'd feel the same way if you were one of their advertisers.

Funny you should bring up their advertisers. If ANYBODY belongs on late night tv it's them!!!!

Seriously!!

lendaddy · 07-02-2008, 09:39 AM

Like I said, ridged bureaucracy takes precedent over common sense.

Superman · 07-02-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by lendaddy

Like I said, ridged bureaucracy takes precedent over common sense.

I........I suppose......okay, I guess it's just possible.......experimentally.......to attempt using common sense in gubmit decision-making. I doubt it would work but heck, it's worth a try.

lendaddy · 07-02-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Superman

I........I suppose......okay, I guess it's just possible.......experimentally.......to attempt using common sense in gubmit decision-making. I doubt it would work but heck, it's worth a try.

How about this:

[ring ring ring]

"Hello, this is the Governor"

"Hi, this is commissioner azzlick from the DOT. We have a problem down here and no one has the man stones to make a decision. Can you sign a quick executive order on this to save the State 100k a day?"