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dhoward · dhoward's Garage

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Any one here taking Celexa?

My wife takes Celexa and Cymbalta.
I think most anti-depressants are helpful to some people, but are detrimental to one's long-term health. Seems like a lot of docs, especially psych docs look to the pills for an easy way out...
JMHO after watching someone I love on the slow spiral of anti-depressants..

john70t · 07-22-2008, 08:01 AM

After spending hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars to hypicratic doctors and pharmacyists for that crap, I'm sure the patient's outlook will have improved. And they call marijuanna dangerous

A friend of a friend is now recovering from Chantix. She became semi-suicidal, depressed, lethargic, and severely moody- not like her at all. And she still craved smoking.
A few years back I got some topical surgery done, and whatever they gave me f'ked my head up for a couple of years: Felt like I was perpetually floating and couldn't remember my name if it wasn't printed on my license.

So in the meantime:
+Pharma-sue-ticals are busy modifying innert molecules in common drugs in order to re-label them and sell them for twice as much,
+Congress protects them by banning drug importation from Canada/etc. and limiting knock-offs,
+Doctors write a quick perscription and a bill, and heads out for the next carribean "conference"
=Everybody wins (except the patient).

Nathans_Dad · Nathans_Dad's Garage

Damn, I need to put more people on drugs that don't work so I can take another vacation!!!

I guess the solution is simple John, whenever you get sick just don't go to the hospital, don't go to a doctor...let nature dictate what happens. We're all shysters anyway.

scottmandue · 07-22-2008, 03:24 PM

I'm taking up smoking...

Doctor said I wasn't getting enough tar.

craigster59 · craigster59's Garage

I've heard Birthdays are good for you. Studies show the more you have, the longer you live.

Aurel · Aurel's Garage

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I've heard Birthdays are good for you. Studies show the more you have, the longer you live.

And the longer you live, the more you risk to see your death arrive soon

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Aurel

dhoward · dhoward's Garage

New study on Chantrix indicates the possibility of some serious mood-altering side effects. Roid-rage-like symptoms are really starting to show up now. I have several first-hand experiences. In most cases that I'm aware of, myself included, people were successful in quitting smoking. The psych effects last much longer than the half life of the drug would indicate.

MichiganMat · MichiganMat's Garage

Damn.

Anti-depressants sound brutal. I thank God I've been able to manage my down days with long rides on the bike and a meeting or two.

M.D. Holloway · 07-22-2008, 06:17 PM

maybe it all has to do with the one star ratings...

who ever is giving me them has succeeding at making me feel inadequate and useless. Worthless and valueless.

Thank you one star rate person. I feel like such a loser...

john70t · 07-22-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

I guess the solution is simple John, whenever you get sick just don't go to the hospital, don't go to a doctor...let nature dictate what happens. We're all shysters anyway.

O.k. Rick, let's scrap then.

I recently had a very-lucky chopsaw accident that only went through the adipose tissue layer. Thought about not going in, but figured it would be worth a couple hundred to get back to work sooner. There were no outpatient clinics available, only ER.
Saw a cute nurse, who washed it out, put in four stitches, and a tetnus. Total time was about 20minutes flat.

Got the bill. Ready for this? Over $1,100!!!! That's about $5,000 per hour.
This wasn't a Mexican farm worker communist clinic where I've getting bootstrapped. This was a major hospital who's standard initial triage is a thorough x-ray of the wallet.

I guess saline solution and thread are pretty expensive these days.

john70t · 06:57 PM

Part of the line-item breakdown was that the nurse worked under a doctor in the hostpital, who billed my treatment at his standard MD's rate.
The hospital then billed me again for "usage" of their facility.
Perfectly "moral", is it?

A few decades ago, I almost died because of AMA's corrupt rules.
Because the anesthesiologist was allowed to attend multiple surgeries(5?/7?) and bill concurrently, I woke up during the last part of a wisdom teeth extraction.
There was apparently no one monitoring, but I was still paying the premium rate. (Read taxation without representation).
My guess is that only students were doing the proceedure, because when I woke up both were shocked, shrugged, and said "I guess we're done".
Following that: getting my jaw abcess drained, and enduring a year of endocarditis. None of which the dental facility paid for.

I fear the guy with the mask most of all, and statistics back that up. (Hint: it's not Abu Jabu)

Nathans_Dad · Nathans_Dad's Garage

So since you had a bad experience with one medical procedure you have decided to indict the entire medical community. Makes perfect sense. Here's the real story for you. If you didn't go to the doctor to get your chainsaw accident looked at you might have bled to death or died of tetanus. If you had not had your jaw abscess drained you might have died of sepsis. Newsflash, you probably had endocarditis before the drainage, not after. So basically you are pissed off because you voluntarily went in for medical care, received that care, and recovered fully. Complications happen in medicine, fixing the human body isn't like putting together a Porsche engine. I'm sorry you got an abscess after getting your tooth extracted, but it happens.

Tell you what, next time you cut your arm, save yourself the $1k and sew it up yourself. See how well that works for you.

If you're concerned about the cost, try Mexico...they do great work there.

No one is forcing you to seek medical care. If you think the entire profession is just out to bilk you out of your hard earned money, then just stay the hell home. I'm sure you could pay for a hell of a funeral with all the money you save.

The bottom line is that you are a non-medical person who has formed a pretty radical opinion of everyone in the medical profession based on your lay experience. Your opinion of what I do every day is about as valid as my opinion of what an astronaut does every day. You have no clue about the real workings of the medical profession and how it works. Instead of learning how the real profession works, you spew your own preconceived ideas and throw around unfounded accusations.

john70t · 07:05 PM

Mr "anti-union", I'm only indicting AMA rules which furthur the corruption and inefficiency of the medical system, of which you are near the top.

There is, of course, the issue of the yearly deaths of many thousands of Americans.

john70t · 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

So since you had a bad experience with one medical procedure you have decided to indict the entire medical community. Makes perfect sense. Here's the real story for you. If you didn't go to the doctor to get your chainsaw accident looked at you might have bled to death or died of tetanus. If you had not had your jaw abscess drained you might have died of sepsis.

I might have died from recombinant bacteria due to overselling of antibiotics?
Or just sold everything I ever worked for-to give to the almighty doctor?

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Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Newsflash, you probably had endocarditis before the drainage, not after. So basically you are pissed off because you voluntarily went in for medical care, received that care, and recovered fully.

Nope, there is no genetic history of heart problems on either side of my family, period. Nice tangent though.

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Complications happen in medicine, fixing the human body isn't like putting together a Porsche engine. I'm sorry you got an abscess after getting your tooth extracted, but it happens.

Why do medical problems still happen in proceedures? Why?

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Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Tell you what, next time you cut your arm, save yourself the $1k and sew it up yourself. See how well that works for you.

Good of you to reveal your perspective. You should have been a NY firefighter in the late 1800's.

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If you're concerned about the cost, try Mexico...they do great work there.

I've heard even major US corporations are sending their employees on "medical vacations" for excellent medical care to Taiwan and India. I've even heard Cuba has better medical care....

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Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

No one is forcing you to seek medical care. If you think the entire profession is just out to bilk you out of your hard earned money, then just stay the hell home. I'm sure you could pay for a hell of a funeral with all the money you save.

Staying at home and doing nothing might be feasable if the government...oh nevermind.

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Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

The bottom line is that you are a non-medical person who has formed a pretty radical opinion of everyone in the medical profession based on your lay experience. Your opinion of what I do every day is about as valid as my opinion of what an astronaut does every day. You have no clue about the real workings of the medical profession and how it works. Instead of learning how the real profession works, you spew your own preconceived ideas and throw around unfounded accusations.

Garbage in, garbage out. Only results count.

Nathans_Dad · Nathans_Dad's Garage

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I might have died from recombinant bacteria due to overselling of antibiotics?
Or just sold everything I ever worked for-to give to the almighty doctor?

Again, I think you should put your money where your mouth is. Next time you have a bacterial infection just tough it out, don't want to contribute to those nasty "recombinant bacteria".

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Nope, there is no genetic history of heart problems on either side of my family, period. Nice tangent though.

Case in point. Endocarditis is an infection, it has NOTHING to do with coronary disease and is not passed on through genetics. You show your ignorance.

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Why do medical problems still happen in proceedures? Why?

Um, because we are not God? Do you seriously believe that no complications should ever occur in a procedure? If so, you again show your ignorance.

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I've heard even major US corporations are sending their employees on "medical vacations" for excellent medical care to Taiwan and India. I've even heard Cuba has better medical care....

Hey man, more power to you. Head over to Cuba next time and test out your theory. Again, you have no clue what the hell you are talking about...

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Staying at home and doing nothing might be feasable if the government...oh nevermind.

Ah, here we go....if only the gubmint would make it all better for you...

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Garbage in, garbage out. Only results count.

My sentiments exactly. You have shown no knowledge whatsoever of the topic you are trying to debate. You use rumor and innuendo to try and support your statements while showing total ignorance of the true facts of medicine. I fear you have brought a rusty butter knife to a gunfight, my friend. Do some research, get a little more education on the subject and then come back to me.

john70t · 09:24 AM

Then I guess it's ignorant to think the US has the most expensive health care system in the world, ranks only medium in quality standards, is wrapped itself in self-serving burocracy, and has continually shrinking physician numbers in the face of an expanding population.

Firefighters don't ask for money before they put out fires, police don't ask for money before they put out crime, the government forces me to buy car insurance, but when it comes to workers health and the supposedly selfless proffession dedicated to it, they all cry "socialism"?