New York Times earnings drop 82%

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Exactly?

Can you show me the Keith Olberman online store? the Keith Olberman Premium Club Membership?

yesterday on the Jay Severin show, a caller said he wanted Obama executed for treason for going over to the Middle East. And Jay agreed.

You will never, never hear that kind of stuff in Liberal media. Sadly, you hear it all the time on Republican Hate Talk Radio.

Are you on crack? All kinds of Dems have called for Bush's head, and compared him to Hitler and all kinds of other ridiculous crap. That's on TV, on the Radio, in Print, and at watercoolers all over america.

No one does hate like Democrats.

[cairns]

Maher's an ******* and a pussy. I remember when he had some pro-wrestlers on and kept saying how fake wrestling was and try to coyly insult them as lower class while seeking laughs. It backfired big time. The audience wasn't buying it and when the female wrestler stood over him and asked him if he'd like to see how fake it was he started trembling- and for once was at a loss for words. The audience laughed at him.

I thought the bastard was going to ***** his pants. Hell he probably did.

[jmshepard]

I seem to remember Keith Olberman saying that someone should take Hillary into a room and only one (not Ms. Clinton) should come out. That strikes me as violent and hate speech. But that is just me.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Do you think that they should be regulated more? Maybe told what to print? Should there be government watchdogs put into place to keep their biases at bay?

No.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

No.

Then what's the issue with them printing whatever the heck they want to print? If they go off the deep end, then the readers will walk away, and they will fold like a wet newspaper (hehe...). It sounds like you want someone to step in and define things for them...instead of letting someTHING (capitalism) make that definition.

[beasty]

"No one does hate like Democrats."

Couldnt have said it any better. Never hear Republicans *****, moan, and complain. But Dems, all they do is complain, never positive, everything is negative. The media is a bunch of liberal crap thats just unneeded. Why did they stop complaining about the war in Iraq? Hmm, maybe because now we are starting to pull out troops and they dont want to acknowledge those facts. But if Obama goes and visits, o its all over the news, he went and saw these people, he talked to those people. WHO GIVES A RATS A@$!

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Then what's the issue with them printing whatever the heck they want to print? If they go off the deep end, then the readers will walk away, and they will fold like a wet newspaper (hehe...). It sounds like you want someone to step in and define things for them...instead of letting someTHING (capitalism) make that definition.

They can print whatever they want. And what they want to print apparently no one wants to buy.

The political expression of capitalism at it's finest.

[Sonic dB]

a real close friend of mine sells ad space for the NY Times...both online and print...he is RAKING $ really killin' it but he is exceptional and one of the best in that company.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Hate radio is Michael Savage, but he's not Republican hate radio (just ask him )

I'd pay to see Algore debate Savage.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Exactly?

Can you show me the Keith Olberman online store? the Keith Olberman Premium Club Membership?

yesterday on the Jay Severin show, a caller said he wanted Obama executed for treason for going over to the Middle East. And Jay agreed.

You will never, never hear that kind of stuff in Liberal media. Sadly, you hear it all the time on Republican Hate Talk Radio.

Oberman couldn't give stuff away. Never hear hate from Al Franken?

[jyl]

NYT daily circulation is appx 1.1MM. More than any US newspaper other than WSJ and USA Today, which are each about 2.2MM (USA Today includes lots of throwaway hotel copies). So apparently you are wrong.

Originally Posted by m21sniper

And what they want to print apparently no one wants to buy.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by Mule

I'd pay to see Algore debate Savage.

Wear a raincoat, that Savage guy sounds like he has a spittle problem when he's mad...I have to wipe my car radio off after 15 minutes of him.

Originally Posted by jyl

NYT daily circulation is appx 1.1MM. More than any US newspaper other than WSJ and USA Today, which are each about 2.2MM (USA Today includes lots of throwaway hotel copies). So apparently you are wrong.

SSSHHH!!! Don't be bringing facts and logic into this! (I give it 10 minutes before Mule claims that libs only deal with emotions...)

[widgeon13]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Are you on crack? All kinds of Dems have called for Bush's head, and compared him to Hitler and all kinds of other ridiculous crap. That's on TV, on the Radio, in Print, and at watercoolers all over america.

No one does hate like Democrats.

it's interesting how the concept of selective hearing works so well with the LIBS!

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by jyl

NYT daily circulation is appx 1.1MM. More than any US newspaper other than WSJ and USA Today, which are each about 2.2MM (USA Today includes lots of throwaway hotel copies). So apparently you are wrong.

Apparently i am not, their sales are plummeting. Didn't see the thread title?

[jyl]

I saw the thread title, and it is misleading. Sales =/= readership.

NYT circulation is okay, appx flattish YOY. Their circulation revenue is up. Their online revenue is up significantly. What is down is their advertising revenue. Declining ad revenues does not reflect a decline in readership, but is a fundamental problem for newspapers generally, plus impact from recession.

[legion]

Originally Posted by cairns

Maher's an ******* and a pussy. I remember when he had some pro-wrestlers on and kept saying how fake wrestling was and try to coyly insult them as lower class while seeking laughs. It backfired big time. The audience wasn't buying it and when the female wrestler stood over him and asked him if he'd like to see how fake it was he started trembling- and for once was at a loss for words. The audience laughed at him.

I thought the bastard was going to ***** his pants. Hell he probably did.

That's funny.

The outcomes may be pre-determined, the events may be choregraphed, but that doesn't mean it's not very, very hard work.

Also, part of being a successful wrestler is successfully marketing yourself. The top wrestlers have just as much business sense as athletic skill. Clearly Maher was out of his league both physically and mentally.

This reminds me of the time that ABC news sent a bunch of muslims in full garb to a NASCAR race with hidden cameras. They were treated with respect and courtesy--they never aired the report.

I just love it when the left-leaning media attempts to test their stereotypes about right-leaning middle America (like NASCAR and pro-wrestling) and get owned in the process.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by jyl

I saw the thread title, and it is misleading. Sales =/= readership.

NYT circulation is okay, appx flattish YOY. Their circulation revenue is up. Their online revenue is up significantly. What is down is their advertising revenue. Declining ad revenues does not reflect a decline in readership, but is a fundamental problem for newspapers generally, plus impact from recession.

SSSHHH!!!! More facts and logic!!! Begone you!

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by jyl

I saw the thread title, and it is misleading. Sales =/= readership.

NYT circulation is okay, appx flattish YOY. Their circulation revenue is up. Their online revenue is up significantly. What is down is their advertising revenue. Declining ad revenues does not reflect a decline in readership, but is a fundamental problem for newspapers generally, plus impact from recession.

So your position is that the NYT is not losing readers?

LOL...that's pretty funny.

[jyl]

First, the context.

The newspaper industry as a whole is seeing declining circulation, and this has been going on for many years, accelerating since about 2003. The industry decline accelerated to about -2% in 2004-2007, and forecasts are for -3% in 2008. Total circulation of US daily newspapers is at a 60-year record low.

We're seeing a general decline in how much Americans read newspapers. Today 18% of Americans buy a daily paper, 60 years ago this was 36%. This decline may go along with the general decline in how much Americans read, but in recent years the Internet has really hurt daily newspapers.

The typical US daily newspaper is seeing circulation decline -5% to -10% YOY this year. The New York newspapers are declining less, flat to -4% YOY. The only major US daily newspapers that are not declining are Wall Street Journal and USA Today, these are up less than +0.5% YOY. For USA Today, there is some skepticism because a good bit of their circulation is throwaway hotel copies that the guests don't know they are paying for.

Now, for the NYT.

For the physical newspaper, NYT circulation revenue in 1Q08 grew +3.2% YOY. In 2Q08 it grew +4.5%. This is for the "New York Times" newspaper. Circulation revenue does not precisely reflect circulation, but given that the NYT increased prices about +5%, it looks like circulation is approximately flat YOY. Plus or minus a bit.

For the online part, NYT website unique visitors was up +41% YOY in June '08, to 17.7MM readers. This is for the "New York Times" news website. It is the most-read newspaper website, appx 2X the next largest. The NYT's online readership is nearly 17X larger than its physical circulation, so it matters if you are trying to judge total NYT readership.

My conclusions.

The NYT's physical circulation looks roughly flat this year, as best as I can tell from circulation revenue..
The NYT's readership, if you sum physical and online editions, is increasing.
In the past several years, the NYT's physical circulation has declined, along with the rest of the newspaper industry.
In that period, the NYT's readership (physical plus online) has grown.

Originally Posted by m21sniper

So your position is that the NYT is not losing readers?

LOL...that's pretty funny.

[Pazuzu]

Alas, alack! I'm dead and dying, laying here bleeding from where the facts and logic pierced my heart through!!!

Goodnight cruel world...