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Mule 07-29-2008 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 4089598)
Sorry, she's not gone gone as in dead. She's on a business trip. I was just screwing with Red Barron. Didn't mean to bring everyone down.
So your statement was just a cheesy attempt to prolong admitting that Baron was right. Nice. I hope your woman appreciates the fact that you joke about her being dead.

Seahawk 07-29-2008 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4089667)
Are you saying that illegal immigration is a myth and that it has been next to impossible to cross our borders over the last 8 years?
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Are you seriously saying that the immigration problem is Bushs:eek:

There are no Pollyanna's in DC...the failure of any meaningful immigration policy predates Bush. I will say that both Bush and the Senate (in two forms of majority rule) have been feckless in the pursuit of real reform, but they simply mirror the failure of enforcing the rule of law since before Reagan.

What is Pelosi's position?

I'll get to the rest of your inquiries soon.:p

Shaun @ Tru6 07-29-2008 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4089622)
We were all duped. I was convinced too. I think all of us felt kind of stupid afterwards, but then, making us look/feel stupid is what Saddam did best, isn't it? ;)
We were not all duped.

I was not duped.

30% of the American public was not duped.

6 Republicans in the House were not duped.

126 Democrats in the House were not duped.

1 Republican in the Senate was not duped.

21 Democrats in the Senate were not duped.


I remember the run-up to the war well. if you were against the war, you were labeled an anti-American traitor, something that rings true today on this very board. if you were for the war, you were striking back at Osama Bin Laden and were a true Patriot. These Colors Don't Run, Let Freedom Ring, Freedom Fries and all that garbage.

Early and middle bell-curvers were easily swayed by mushroom cloud speeches and the constant barrage of Admin conflation of OBL and Saddam Hussein.

Let the record show that a large minority of us didn't buy it.

let the record also show that the Admin bungled the first few years of Iraq on a scale unimaginable given that we controlled the timing of the invasion.

m21sniper 07-29-2008 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rearden (Post 4089687)
If you read Feith's book, he claims that there was some skepticism to the CIA's claims about Saddam still possessing all the stockpiles (the Defense Dept battled constantly with State and CIA). What they didn't doubt, and what was true in hindsight, was that Iraq's WMD programs were dormant and could quickly be reconstituted.
Fieth really IS one of the Neo-cons that got us into this mess. I have not read his book, but i probably should, just to see what kind of tale he's spinning to cover his own backside.

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Originally Posted by Rearden (Post 4089687)
Why, for example, does it matter if Saddam possessed a "stockpile" of chemical weapons when those chemical weapons could be manufactured in 2-6 weeks using Iraq's dual-use precursors and dual-use insecticide/herbicide facilities? The fear was that Saddam would furnish WMD to terrorists. It doesn't matter if the chemicals were produced a few years ago or next month.
This jives with most of what i've read in a variety of articles and books. They didn't have any stored product, but they had the means to make tons of it quite rapidly should the sanctions ever crumble.

Shaun @ Tru6 07-29-2008 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 4089697)
Are you seriously saying that the immigration problem is Bushs:eek:

There are no Pollyanna's in DC...the failure of any meaningful immigration policy predates Bush. I will say that both Bush and the Senate (in two forms of majority rule) have been feckless in the pursuit of real reform, but they simply mirror the failure of enforcing the rule of law since before Reagan.

What is Pelosi's position?

I'll get to the rest of your inquiries soon.:p
Oh goodness no. I'm saying it's easy to cross our southern border. I'm saying that anyone doing so could easily make their way up to Old Saybrook, CT where they could easily board an Amtrak train with suitcases of explosive, ride comfortably into Penn Station, detonate their explosives and destroy much of midtown Manhattan.

it would be relatively easy for any small group of terrorists to pull this off. That was my point...it's relative ease.

When folks say we haven't been attacked because of the success of the Bush Admin, I look at how easy it is for us to be attacked, and I look at a history of failure in keeping us safe, and make my determination from that data. Which is more likely: the Bush Admin is keeping us safe or terrorists have yet to set a time and place?

Pazuzu 07-29-2008 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4089701)
Early and middle bell-curvers were easily swayed by mushroom cloud speeches and the constant barrage of Admin conflation of OBL and Saddam Hussein.
:(

So, because I believed that Saddam had these weapons...what with his history of having and using them on a regular basis...that makes me an early bellcurver?

:(

Seahawk 07-29-2008 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4089710)
Oh goodness no. I'm saying it's easy to cross our southern border. I'm saying that anyone doing so could easily make their way up to Old Saybrook, CT where they could easily board an Amtrak train with suitcases of explosive, ride comfortably into Penn Station, detonate their explosives and destroy much of midtown Manhattan.

it would be relatively easy for any small group of terrorists to pull this off. That was my point...it's relative ease.
Not really...I worked with some groups quite a bit on profiling illegal crossings along the Mexican boarder using UAS, focusing on patterns so the right people are rolled up. That is a separate story.

Anti terrorism is a mosaic: if it was so easy for small groups to infiltrate and cause harm, it would have been done. That was the whole point of my assertion to Dottore. The fact that it hasn't been done, counter your posit that it would be easy, speaks volumes.

I will get to the rest of your demands if you would cease and desist on posting.:)

m21sniper 07-29-2008 02:26 PM
Right about now Sammy needs to post his list of Dems that voted for the war and all their pre-war quotes.

This "bill of goods" war was sold to us by a bipartisan governmental effort.

Mule 07-29-2008 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4089701)
We were not all duped.

I wouldn't fight if the swimming camel suicide squads had reached the shores & were cutting the heads off babies.

30% of the American public wouldn't fight if the swimming camel suicide squads had reached the shores & were cutting the heads off babies.

6 Republicans in the House wouldn't fight if the swimming camel suicide squads had reached the shores & were cutting the heads off babies.

126 Democrats in the House wouldn't fight if the swimming camel suicide squads had reached the shores & were cutting the heads off babies.

1 Republican in the Senate wouldn't fight if the swimming camel suicide squads had reached the shores & were cutting the heads off babies.

21 Democrats in the Senate wouldn't fight if the swimming camel suicide squads had reached the shores & were cutting the heads off babies.


Let the record show that a large minority of us wouldn't fight if the swimming camel suicide squads had reached the shores & were cutting the heads off babies.

let the record also show that the Admin bungled the first few years of Iraq on a scale unimaginable given that even if history shows we won, I say we lose.
Fixed it for you.SmileWavySmileWavySmileWavy

krichard 07-29-2008 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 4089694)
So your statement was just a cheesy attempt to prolong admitting that Baron was right. Nice. I hope your woman appreciates the fact that you joke about her being dead.
Go pound sand dude. I was just replying stupidly like he was about having sex with my girl.

Mule 07-29-2008 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 4089765)
Go pound sand dude. I was just replying stupidly like he was about having sex with my girl.
That would be bull Edited - language removed, Z-man! You either wrote or read all these posts and you intended to imply she was dead. And this list of folks got EXACTLY that from your statement. Only when I pointed out that only a low life piece of Edited - language removed, Z-man
 would joke about their woman being dead, did you try to spin it. Nice try but, FAIL!SmileWavy
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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 4089443)
Start eating the pie. I have definitive proof you didn't screw my woman. She's no longer with us. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 4089580)
Krichard, I am sorry for your loss. That is bigger than politics.
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Originally Posted by lendaddy (Post 4089494)
I'm uncomfortable with using your woman as an example(sorry for your loss btw) but since you seem to be OK with it I'll explain.

You're stating that she's no longer with us only proves he's not sleeping with her now, it does not prove he never slept with her. That was the point.

Again, sorry for your loss.

krichard 07-29-2008 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 4089794)
That would be bull Edited - language removed, Z-man! You either wrote or read all these posts and you intended to imply she was dead. And this list of folks got EXACTLY that from your statement. Only when I pointed out that only a low life piece of Edited - language removed, Z-man
 would joke about their woman being dead, did you try to spin it. Nice try but, FAIL!SmileWavy
You're an idiot.

nostatic 07-29-2008 03:04 PM
*sigh*

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