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Jim, that's all due to organized religion. That isn't what we are talking about.
Now stop posting so I can go mow! |
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I dont think you either offered anything of value in this thread, and I dont think either of you - certainly Jeff - exhibit good will in this type of discussion. |
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There probabality of life beginning on earth in the first instance is very low. Here we invoke the magic of large numbers. There are hundreds of billions of stars like ours in the universe. Orbiting some of them are planets similar to this one. We can say with a high level of confidence that there is almost certinainly life, in a form we understand it, out there somewhere, on Goldilocks planet like this which supports water. I beleive the statistical probability of this. I neither believe nor disbeleive there is life elsewhere in the Universe. |
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"There probability of life beginning on earth in the first instance is very low." So before life began would a rational person have believed in this imaginary so-called life? |
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It is beginning to sound like the motivation for all this (from the atheist side) stems from a deep problem with organized religion. I can understand that, people have used religion to oppress others for centuries. I guess I would only ask whether it is appropriate to blame God (or whatever supreme being you prefer) for what man does in God's name? The two issues are truly separate. Whether or not a supreme being exists is a completely different question than whether or not organized religion should exist or a discussion of the wrongs committed by man in the name of God. God either exists or he doesn't. Maybe he has the snowy white beard and throws thunderbolts, maybe not. Whatever the actions of man on this earth, whether it be in the name of God or Allah or karma, have no relation to whether God exists and thus no relation in a discussion of whether someone is stupid or ignorant for believing in that God. P.S. Man, is it HOT out there! |
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You're right, though - get rid of organized religion and a lot of this discussion goes away. I could care less who or what you believe in - just keep it to yourself (speaking to theists in general) and stop telling everyone else that their way of life is wrong because "your god" doesn't approve of it. When (according to Joeaksa) the Muslims become a more vocal percentage of the population in this country and try to invoke Sharia law, or convert your children to Islam in school, etc., I hope you can sit back and say "I don't have a dog in this fight - they can believe whatever they want and it's fine with me". |
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Rick, what I'm really getting at is that it's easy for the believer to dismiss other gods and their attendent religions. But it's much harder when you begin to dismiss that last god. The institutions (e.g., gov't, schools, courts) and the communities we live in just don't seem to accept that, and keep shoving that last god into one's face. All in the name of an invisible being that no one has a shred of evidence that it even exists. To paraphrase trekkor, just "feelings." :) |
Jim, where do you draw the line between making decisions based on feelings and irrational behaviour?
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If what IROC says is true, though and the atheist truly doesn't blame God because the atheist believes he doesn't exist, then we are back at the root of the question I posed earlier. What is your dog in this fight then? Why do you get all worked up about the Christian God but just smile and shake your head at the discussion of alien babies? If they are both equally improbable and those that believe in them both equally ignorant then what's the motivation? |
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I'm in that club. KT |
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I don't think you can produce a single example of what you accuse. :confused: KT |
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I think an attack means, your god is somehow gonna come down from heaven and cast most of us into hell. Sort of an attack.
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If I make a quote from a book that has been available your entire life, how is that an attack? You likely have the book in your home. Maybe several tranlations. My history in these threads is to clearly, calmly and respectfully post what I have learned. Not attack or ridicule. Certainly not call people names. Are you confusing me with someone else? KT |
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